(04-24-2020, 11:29 AM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(04-24-2020, 10:32 AM)Bullseye Wrote: I think the major part of the hostility to my point is the absolutely polarizing nature of Ramsey.  I get the hostility to the guy/

But to the very best of my knowledge, tKhalil Mack did not engage in any of the behavior exhibited by Ramsey, and got a similar return in trade.

I would be similarly critical of the Raiders for botching the picks. 

They got Abrams, the Miss. State S last year who played very little, and they got Damon Arnette this year.

So far, the ROI from those picks appears minimal.

Take the personality out of it.  View it from the lens of a pure talent exchange.

A difficult task, I get it.

So is your point theoretical? Because the Raiders screwed up (and I'm sure you can come up with other examples) that means trading an All Pro player is never justified?

Whether or not you like the Chaisson pick (and I didn't) he was the top rated player on a lot of boards. The Cowboys were planning on him before Lamb fell into their laps. Caldwell has show success in drafting edge rushers, and not so much with OTs. Both Prisco and Walter gave the pick A grades (admittedly there was grade inflation from both with a lot of A's), and from NFL.com who gave the Jags a grade-inflated A overall:

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No, that's not what I am saying.

Let me summarize...

1.  If you have a star player on your roster, do what you can to keep him.  If he becomes unhappy, do what you can to smooth things over.
2.  If the differences between him and the team become completely untenable, get as many picks as you can for him.
3.  Make sure you turn the picks you get in exchange for him into the best players.

I have mixed feelings about #1.  I think the team was slow to give him a new deal when other players drafted immediately above him in the same draft class got new deals.  Ramsey did not.  Then there was the whole thing with Coughlin.  Those things pissed Ramsey off and were completely avoidable.  However, the team DID try to smooth things over with him (at least everyone but TC did).  Marrone said he wanted to keep him.  Caldwell said he wanted to keep him.  Khan said he wanted to keep him and met with him to try to achieve that result.

Point 2, I absolutely believe the team achieved this result.  No problem with this part.

Point 3 is where I have the issue at this point.  Might my perspective change?  Sure.  If Chaisson becomes a Pro Bowl caliber player for us, my opinion will change.  Or if he doesn't, if the picks we get in 2021 turn into Pro Bowl caliber players, then my opinion changes.

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