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More Context to the Ramsey trade

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(04-24-2020, 12:23 PM)enigma Wrote:
(04-24-2020, 12:11 PM)Bullseye Wrote: (emphasis added)

No, that's not what I am saying.

Let me summarize...

1.  If you have a star player on your roster, do what you can to keep him.  If he becomes unhappy, do what you can to smooth things over.
2.  If the differences between him and the team become completely untenable, get as many picks as you can for him.
3.  Make sure you turn the picks you get in exchange for him into the best players.

I have mixed feelings about #1.  I think the team was slow to give him a new deal when other players drafted immediately above him in the same draft class got new deals.  Ramsey did not.  Then there was the whole thing with Coughlin.  Those things pissed Ramsey off and were completely avoidable.  However, the team DID try to smooth things over with him (at least everyone but TC did).  Marrone said he wanted to keep him.  Caldwell said he wanted to keep him.  Khan said he wanted to keep him and met with him to try to achieve that result.

Point 2, I absolutely believe the team achieved this result.  No problem with this part.

Point 3 is where I have the issue at this point.  Might my perspective change?  Sure.  If Chaisson becomes a Pro Bowl caliber player for us, my opinion will change.  Or if he doesn't, if the picks we get in 2021 turn into Pro Bowl caliber players, then my opinion changes.

Points 1 & 2 both fall on the gross mismanagement by TC. To your point, Tom decided to extend Jack because of his "approach" when we all knew Ramsey deserved it more. The main cause of the malignancy in our organization has been nipped with Tom being shown out the door. Unfortunately, some of the remnants of his ways still linger with Yannick's malcontent.

As for point 3, at #20 the odds of selecting a pro bowl talent are slimmer than selecting at a higher position. Who did you think had the highest chance of becoming a "pro bowl" talent with the players available at our #20 pick? Chaisson is widely regarded as having an incredibly high ceiling with very good production and possessing strong leadership qualities early in his collegiate career.

And ultimately, we got everything we could for a player who would not play another down here - and to think of it as anything otherwise is indicative of a mental block.

I agree with your first sentence of part one and 2.  I also agree with your first sentence regarding point 3, which is part of the problem I had with trading away Ramsey.  Chaisson did NOT have much college production.  He had a grand total of 9.5 sacks his entire college career, with his career high being the 6.5 sacks he got last year. 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/pla...son-1.html

Could you argue he is an ascending player?  Yeah.

But the pick was based on potential and character, not production.
 

Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!





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Messages In This Thread
More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Bullseye - 04-23-2020, 10:54 PM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Caldrac - 04-23-2020, 11:05 PM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by rfc17 - 04-23-2020, 11:05 PM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Dimson - 04-23-2020, 11:05 PM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by nate - 04-24-2020, 01:09 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Kane - 04-24-2020, 10:05 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Jags239 - 04-24-2020, 12:00 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by enigma - 04-24-2020, 12:07 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Firesky - 04-24-2020, 12:49 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by enigma - 04-24-2020, 12:23 PM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Bullseye - 04-24-2020, 12:34 PM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by enigma - 04-24-2020, 12:34 PM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Kane - 04-24-2020, 10:02 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by enigma - 04-24-2020, 10:04 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Kane - 04-24-2020, 10:14 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by RicoTx - 04-24-2020, 11:01 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by RicoTx - 04-24-2020, 11:37 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Kane - 04-24-2020, 11:07 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by uthill - 04-24-2020, 10:10 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by jj82284 - 04-24-2020, 10:10 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by enigma - 04-24-2020, 11:27 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by nate - 04-24-2020, 11:35 AM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by B2hibry - 04-24-2020, 05:46 PM
RE: More Context to the Ramsey trade - by Jags - 04-24-2020, 06:35 PM



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