(04-24-2020, 12:29 PM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(04-24-2020, 12:11 PM)Bullseye Wrote: (emphasis added)

No, that's not what I am saying.

Let me summarize...

1.  If you have a star player on your roster, do what you can to keep him.  If he becomes unhappy, do what you can to smooth things over.
2.  If the differences between him and the team become completely untenable, get as many picks as you can for him.
3.  Make sure you turn the picks you get in exchange for him into the best players.

I have mixed feelings about #1.  I think the team was slow to give him a new deal when other players drafted immediately above him in the same draft class got new deals.  Ramsey did not.  Then there was the whole thing with Coughlin.  Those things pissed Ramsey off and were completely avoidable.  However, the team DID try to smooth things over with him (at least everyone but TC did).  Marrone said he wanted to keep him.  Caldwell said he wanted to keep him.  Khan said he wanted to keep him and met with him to try to achieve that result.

Point 2, I absolutely believe the team achieved this result.  No problem with this part.

Point 3 is where I have the issue at this point.  Might my perspective change?  Sure.  If Chaisson becomes a Pro Bowl caliber player for us, my opinion will change.  Or if he doesn't, if the picks we get in 2021 turn into Pro Bowl caliber players, then my opinion changes.

If it's about point 3 then that would apply to any draft pick, not just one we got in a trade, so I don't know why you brought up the Ramsey trade.

Is there a point 4 that screwing up a pick you get in a trade is worse than screwing up a different pick? If that's your reason for adding in the Ramsey trade then I counter that picking Fournette instead of Mahomes is far worse than completely blowing all three of the Ramsey picks.

You don't like the Chaisson pick, I get it. Just say that. We won't know for a couple of years whether or not the Chaisson pick was the best player. Even if not the best player he could have been the best option if the better player is (say) a WR and we end up with and equally good WR later in the draft.

Because draft picks don't exist in a vacuum.  When you trade away a top player, what you get in exchange for him is paramount.  Overall context is important.  When you trash the Fournette pick, it's not just looking at him as a player, but in comparison to what was available, as you point out here.  To say that the context of the Ramsey trade is irrelevant doesn't reflect the broader context.

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