(05-05-2020, 08:02 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(05-05-2020, 06:22 PM)Last42min Wrote: Gabe, everyone suffers from bias, you would agree to that, right? I don't think he's implicitly incorrect in his assumption. In my opinion, this is not dissimilar from the roll-out of universal health care. Conservative politicians wouldn't actively "wish" for people to get sick and die. It would be political suicide to do so, but  that doesn't mean they wanted the system to succeed. It clashes with their world view. They don't trust it. Can you not agree that this, at the very least, MIGHT be a possibility for some democratic politicians? Anyone who is a socialist (and let's face it, it's a growing force in the democratic party) does not trust our capitalist system. They think it's inherently broken. Whether they are correct or not is irrelevant. They enjoy the deaths, not because they want individuals to die, but, rather, that it creates justification for changing policy that fits their world view. This shouldn't be surprising, nor should it be a reach to suggest this is a possibility.

Additionally, there are radicals (on both sides) who do literally wish for their opposition to die for no other reason that political differences. I frequent a progressive message board and have, on more than one occasion, had it made clear that they hoped I die of Coronavirus because I think the Sweden model might be the most effective way of handling this. I have heard it said, on more than one occasion, that they hope the red states die of coronavirus. Now, this is the hardcore base, so we can take that with a grain of salt, but does that at least open up the probability that some politicians could be aligned with that kind of thinking? This should not be taken to mean that ALL democratic politicians share these thoughts, but, rather, there is at least a very high probability that some do. The more there is  a socialist "creep" in the democratic party, the more I think it's fair to suggest that there is an active wish for any capitalist system to fail (by any means necessary), because it directly conflicts with a socialist world view.

Everything does not need to be explicitly stated.

Democrats and Republicans can share a world view, more or less, but not if socialism is in the mix. This is going to be a reoccurring theme for a while.

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Side note: I don't believe Elizabeth Warren isn't a socialist. I think she's an opportunistic politician, and would moderate super quickly if she was the Presidential nominee.

Also, to the conservatives, I don't think the media highlights death as part of some great conspiracy or socialist agenda, I think they do it to make money. Death sells. It's why were talking about Giant hornets. It's why we have wall to wall hurricane coverage now. Coronavirus is no different.

I think Gabe's point is more that ascribing the motives of the very worst subset of your opponents to all of your opponents is both innaccurate and rude.
We can't treat political opponents as enemies unless we are okay with turning politics into war.
But it's just so so easy from behind the keyboard and the username...