(05-05-2020, 05:50 PM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(05-05-2020, 04:54 PM)Gabe Wrote: Gotta lump you in with CrownyTrump, MBJ. The above statement is truly disheartening, even coming from you.

Do you disagree? Have you not noticed the delight in their reporting of US deaths while they find a way to blame it on Trump?

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(05-05-2020, 04:47 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: My guess is the socialist communist "progressive" democrat VP candidate is going to be Gretchen Whitmer.  She has been in the news quite a bit lately and is loved by the socialist communist "progressive" media.  Meanwhile I think that Hillary is waiting to swoop in and "save" the socialist communist democrat party.

They're both in Biden's binders full of women.

Still as disheartening this morning, perhaps even more so. Delight? I've seen anger, frustration...but delight? Jesus, dude 

(05-05-2020, 06:00 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:

(05-05-2020, 04:54 PM)Gabe Wrote: Gotta lump you in with CrownyTrump, MBJ. The above statement is truly disheartening, even coming from you.

Come on Gabe, you're better than that.  Have you watched any of the MSM?  News4jax keeps a running total and breathlessly reports any new deaths.  Tell me.  Why is The House not going back to work while The Senate is?  Safety?  Or the fact that it gives Nancy Pelosi more power?

Why are deaths covered so much but not people that have recovered or have tested asymptomatic?  What about the suppression of good news as opposed the the new number of deaths?

Why is it not being reported that most deaths come from people that had pre-existing conditions rather than the "average person"?

I have. I still have not been presented with any substantial evidence that democrats are hoping for more death and economic destruction - taking delight in it. And I'm seriously shocked, JIB - you know as well as I do why deaths are reported vs. recoveries...and it isn't rooted in politics. It's the "Why doesn't MTV play music videos anymore?" question - because the average consumer is a mindless moron stimulated by violence, death, catastrophe. Fun, feel-good news is bad for ratings and doesn't allow people to take any side. See any accident-caused traffic jam for justification in that assertion.

(05-05-2020, 06:22 PM)Last42min Wrote: Gabe, everyone suffers from bias, you would agree to that, right? I don't think he's implicitly incorrect in his assumption. In my opinion, this is not dissimilar from the roll-out of universal health care. Conservative politicians wouldn't actively "wish" for people to get sick and die. It would be political suicide to do so, but  that doesn't mean they wanted the system to succeed. It clashes with their world view. They don't trust it. Can you not agree that this, at the very least, MIGHT be a possibility for some democratic politicians? Anyone who is a socialist (and let's face it, it's a growing force in the democratic party) does not trust our capitalist system. They think it's inherently broken. Whether they are correct or not is irrelevant. They enjoy the deaths, not because they want individuals to die, but, rather, that it creates justification for changing policy that fits their world view. This shouldn't be surprising, nor should it be a reach to suggest this is a possibility.

Additionally, there are radicals (on both sides) who do literally wish for their opposition to die for no other reason that political differences. I frequent a progressive message board and have, on more than one occasion, had it made clear that they hoped I die of Coronavirus because I think the Sweden model might be the most effective way of handling this. I have heard it said, on more than one occasion, that they hope the red states die of coronavirus. Now, this is the hardcore base, so we can take that with a grain of salt, but does that at least open up the probability that some politicians could be aligned with that kind of thinking? This should not be taken to mean that ALL democratic politicians share these thoughts, but, rather, there is at least a very high probability that some do. The more there is  a socialist "creep" in the democratic party, the more I think it's fair to suggest that there is an active wish for any capitalist system to fail (by any means necessary), because it directly conflicts with a socialist world view.

Everything does not need to be explicitly stated.

Democrats and Republicans can share a world view, more or less, but not if socialism is in the mix. This is going to be a reoccurring theme for a while.

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Side note: I don't believe Elizabeth Warren isn't a socialist. I think she's an opportunistic politician, and would moderate super quickly if she was the Presidential nominee.

Also, to the conservatives, I don't think the media highlights death as part of some great conspiracy or socialist agenda, I think they do it to make money. Death sells. It's why were talking about Giant hornets. It's why we have wall to wall hurricane coverage now. Coronavirus is no different.

Out of anything provided to me since I reiterated what Trump said, yours is the most eloquent, L42. What I read out of everything you stated is that just as much as republicans, democrats are opportunists. The mishandling and continued mishandling of this crisis represents a possibility for a change in political power (on either side, taking into consideration states like NY, Florida, Georgia, Colorado, Michigan, etc.). That's just how the political system works. However, you present a false equivalence of opportunity vs. systemic political desire for continued death, for continued economic instability, wrapped  in socialism. I do not discount the fact that yes, there are likely people who want Trump to fail, justified by any means necessary, including American deaths and economic depression. I do not think they are representative nor come even close to a majority. It's irrational to purport that they are and by association, all democrats wish the same, even take "delight" in discussing said topics. THAT is bias. 

Unfortunately, I'm not surprised to hear idiots have wished CV19 on you. I've heard it myself wished on everyone from the President to Pelosi to Hillary to democratic & republican governors, mayors & neighbors. The vocal minorities are more often than not, morons.

Grain of salt, sure - but not representative of the whole and definitely not evidence to support Trump's and SC's/MBJ's assertions: "The Democrats want more deaths". Yes, you're correct: everyone has a certain bias - but to subjectively ignore said bias and assert "truth" is irresponsible and, as I've previously stated, disheartening coming from several board members I (more often than not) respect.  

(05-05-2020, 10:05 PM)Jagfan44 Wrote:

(05-05-2020, 04:54 PM)Gabe Wrote: Gotta lump you in with CrownyTrump, MBJ. The above statement is truly disheartening, even coming from you.

I'm not very active here but I have been a reader for at this point, almost half my life. You might as well lump me into this category as well.

Look at everything that the dems do. Immigration, welfare, even politicizing good things for the US such as the killing of Soleimani or meeting with Kun Jung Un. Even when the economy is doing well they find some way to make it sound bad by claiming that only the rich are getting richer. 

I travel frequently, I visit Texas several times a year for work purposes. Visit Houston and drive through the less desirable parts of Houston, of Miami, even a city as north as Chicago. These cities have enormous of what appears to be illegal immigrant communities, and I only assume at least partially illegal since we allow 1 million immigrants per year and the numbers just don't add up for all of these people to be legal. Drive through these areas and tell me that somehow immigration and open borders are overall beneficial for this country, these areas are a reflection of the people that live there which are a reflection of the place that they came from, and it ain't pretty. It feels like you are in Mexico. I'm not sure if you have areas that you grew up in that you have now visited that now look like [BLEEP]. I sure as hell do and once again these areas now look like Mexico. This is true of basically every large city that I have visited, outside of a certain few states like Tennessee, Indiana, and Kentucky. Believe what you want but I don't see this as a positive for this country. 

You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think that the Democrats do not want what is best for this country, in order to gain power. These people are literally the epitome of evil, they will go where a person of any morals will not go. They are the biggest hypocrites on the face of earth, there are countless examples with perhaps the Joe Biden Tara Reade thing being one of the best and the most recent. They will stop at nothing to gain power, they are persistent, look at medical marijuana. On the ballot in 2012, gets voted down. 2016, ouh whats this? Medical marijuana on the ballot again? It passes.

After re-reading all of the above, I really just feel sorry for you and others. I don't know or even suggest to understand where in your past someone hurt/wronged some of you so much that it resulted in the shaping of a drastically narrowed and pessimistic perspective, it just sucks to see it manifested into good and evil this way. Hurts to see it, knowing that extrapolating, many on the left and right feel the same and it's not surprising why we still have a two-party system. Honestly, I only wish more positive things in your lives. 

For me, I take no pleasure in seeing CV19 death totals and new cases rise exponentially - nor am I delighted to report that my initial, pessimistic estimation that we'd hit 80k by end of June was apparently way too conservative as we'll absolutely surpass it by next week. We haven't hit any peak nor flattened the curve. It sucks and there is no winning in this situation, only losing - including rational discourse.

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