(05-10-2020, 04:28 PM)Bullseye Wrote:

(05-10-2020, 02:21 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: Bullseye,  I really respect you and admire your posts here.  However, what do those photos have to do with this incident?  Seriously.

From the facts and evidence that I have seen it is my opinion that this wasn't a "hate crime" and didn't have anything to do with race.

The facts are (as I understand) that this guy (Arbery) had a history of criminal conduct.  Supposedly there had been recent burglaries in the area and supposedly someone fitting his description was suspect.  This isn't an area (neighborhood) that he lived in.  Surveillance video of him walking down the street, stopping to look around then going onto private property has been revealed.  While that is a crime it is not a felony.  Also on the surveillance video he is seen coming out of the home and looking around again before going towards the back of the property.  Not long after that he is recorded running from the house, not jogging.

He wasn't "out for a jog" or out exercising and he did trespass onto private property.

A review of the reporting officer's report indicates that he was being chased and persons tried to stop him multiple times, hence by the time the video of the shooting it appears that he is "jogging".  By that point he was probably tired and made a last ditch effort to "get away".  Remember, he not only had the truck with the two suspects in front of him, he also had the vehicle behind him that was filming it.

One thing that I want to make clear.  I don't condone or justify what the suspects in this case did, however upon closer inspection of the incident video it appeared that he directly confronted the man holding the shotgun in an aggressive manner.  Perhaps if he had just run by the person holding the shotgun wouldn't have pulled the trigger.

Again, from what is known and public information regarding this case, it has nothing to do with race and photos like what you shared and posted do not help to bring appropriate justice.

Read my posts.

My position is quite clear.

His criminal history, whatever it may have been, is of no import given the facts of this case.  He could have been convicted of a burglary at age 18 or whatever, but it has no bearing whatsoever whether McMichael had the requisite level of knowledge that a felony was committed by Arbery on 2/23/2020 to effectuate a citizen's arrest.  Arbery's criminal history has no bearing on whether the amount of force McMichael used was consistent with the law.

BY YOUR OWN WORDS ABOVE, Arbery did not commit a felony.  Holding that up against the plain meaning of the words in the statute, the McMichaels had no authority to effectuate a citizens arrest, which means their actions were illegal and therefore a crime.  That crime resulted in the death of Arbery.

What exactly is your contention with me?

If you do not condone their actions, why do they get the benefit of the doubt from you in regards to racial animus? 

Do you seriously argue killers can not be racist or motivated by racial animus?

I've posted the relevant part of the "Cornerstone of the Confederacy" speech on here numerous times.  In that speech, Stephens explicitly states the motivating notions for the establishment of the Confederacy were borne of white supremacy.  Yet people deny race was any factor whatsoever in the Civil War.  It's of no surprise then that people reflexively deny any racial animus or motivation here, even with photos.

Frankly, that's the debate equivalent of pissing on my head and calling it rain.

Your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.

By the way, the police report here summarizes the statments made by the accused here.  Those reprentations are not unassailable  fact.