(05-12-2020, 09:27 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(05-12-2020, 09:09 AM)Gabe Wrote: No, that's not what I mean - while assigning blame to others for skewing their perception, you miss obvious points that should modify your original, objective opinion. The Brunswick article (with the father/son's quotes), if true, stipulates that it would've been impossible for Arbery to be chasing the truck, as they were the ones chasing him and made multiple attempts to cut off his escape. It's also kinda hard to chase an immobile vehicle with the driver standing outside brandishing a shotgun and the father standing in the bed armed with a .357 mag. 

However, I never called it murder. Based on evidence, this is manslaughter clear and simple - arguable that the shotgun was involuntary, arguable that the .357 was voluntary (if that contributed to his death, I don't know if it did, but it was definitely attempted). Self-defense for Arbery despite trespassing, despite being assigned labels as felon/gang-banger/etc. from others, despite running away or running for recreation, despite wrestling with the dude brandishing the shotgun. I'd argue that he continued to attempt to escape from them by running to the right of the truck as opposed to directly at the guy with the shotgun. Shotgun then takes position around the front of the truck/bumper and then it's self-defense time. 

The point I made with my Riverside biking example, where you felt the unavoidable need to get into straw-man attack mode, was that if it were me, I would be fearing for my life at that point and would make every attempt to defend myself.

You fool! You should ALWAYS get down on your knees with your hands on your head when two rednecks in a pickup truck try to run you down in the street. Don't you know your place boy?