(05-12-2020, 05:17 PM)Gabe Wrote:

(05-12-2020, 04:30 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: So now it's a "chasing posse"?  Are you saying that this was a "modern day lynching"?  Because the evidence and the facts don't support that claim.  Did Arbery get "mowed down"?  Was it reported anywhere that the guy that was filming "thought" that a shooting was going to take place?

Again, the media and some Georgia lawmakers are trying to make this about race.  The facts that we know and the evidence seems to prove otherwise.

For the record, I am not trying to "defend" the suspects at all.  I am simply trying to point out that this incident is/was not what is being "reported".  Did the suspects make a bad decision?  Absolutely.  Did the victim make a bad decision?  It sure does look that way.

Where is the proof that he was "just out for a jog"?  Where are the witnesses stating that they saw him "out for a jog"?

Yes, it was a chasing posse. A posse that continuously chased Arbery, including, apparently, the guy filming. 

Posse (noun) - a body of men, typically armed, summoned by a sheriff to enforce the law. Also, a group of people who have a common characteristic, occupation or purpose. (Replace the sheriff in this instance with duty to the law. The McMichaels felt summoned by their duty to make a citizens arrest). 

Lest you forget, JIB, you were the one who started asking questions about these "items" that were thrown down in the first place - was it ever reported the guy chasing w/video stated Arbery threw anything down? No. You posited that possibility based on his actions only. I did the same thing, producing possible alternative reasons why Mr. Film-maker drifted his phone's line of sight to the right. For what it's worth, I don't think it was #2, but there are only three likely reasons: He either lost track of where he was filming as he began turning to the left, thought he saw something get thrown down to the ground, or didn't want to film Arbery getting shot. It's very likely he lost his grip as he turned. 

Fact: I never said he got mowed down.

Fact: I never stipulated anything the guy filming said. 

Fact: I never insinuated it was a modern-day lynching. 

Re-read my assertion and all statements I've made on this topic. You and I are not far apart on this, but you act as if we are.

We may or may not be far apart on this, and it really doesn't matter.

Regarding the objects in the video, we don't know if they are relevant or not.  I never said that he "threw them down".  I stated that perhaps there was a reason that the person filming appeared to pan to them and asked the question whether or not they were evidence.  I don't know if they were thrown down by the victim or if they are even relevant.  I just asked the question of what they were and if it was relevant evidence.  We can speculate about that minor detail all we want.  Could they be items taken from the home where the apparent trespass took place?  Could one of the items been a weapon that the victim dropped?  He was known to carry weapons in his waistband.  One might wonder what the objects were and if they are indeed evidence in the investigation.  You presented your theory and I am just asking if it's possible that the camera turned to those objects for a reason.

My biggest complaint is how this is being portrayed in the media (both MSM and social media).  Just as an example.  Your use of the term "posse" could imply that it was "a bunch of rednecks chasing down a black guy" for no reason.  It was two guys that were chasing someone that they suspected of multiple crimes in the area that had been caught on camera prior.  Was it the right thing to do?  Obviously not.  However that doesn't prove an intent to shoot a man for his skin color.

Another example is saying that perhaps the guy filming the video "thought that the victim was about to get mowed down".  Why would somebody think that?

I agree that the whole thing was tragic and never should have happened.  I agree that the suspects made a poor decision.  I fail to see the intent to kill an "innocent" man based on his skin color.

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