(05-12-2020, 06:43 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:

(05-12-2020, 05:17 PM)Gabe Wrote: Yes, it was a chasing posse. A posse that continuously chased Arbery, including, apparently, the guy filming. 

Posse (noun) - a body of men, typically armed, summoned by a sheriff to enforce the law. Also, a group of people who have a common characteristic, occupation or purpose. (Replace the sheriff in this instance with duty to the law. The McMichaels felt summoned by their duty to make a citizens arrest). 

Lest you forget, JIB, you were the one who started asking questions about these "items" that were thrown down in the first place - was it ever reported the guy chasing w/video stated Arbery threw anything down? No. You posited that possibility based on his actions only. I did the same thing, producing possible alternative reasons why Mr. Film-maker drifted his phone's line of sight to the right. For what it's worth, I don't think it was #2, but there are only three likely reasons: He either lost track of where he was filming as he began turning to the left, thought he saw something get thrown down to the ground, or didn't want to film Arbery getting shot. It's very likely he lost his grip as he turned. 

Fact: I never said he got mowed down.

Fact: I never stipulated anything the guy filming said. 

Fact: I never insinuated it was a modern-day lynching. 

Re-read my assertion and all statements I've made on this topic. You and I are not far apart on this, but you act as if we are.

We may or may not be far apart on this, and it really doesn't matter.

Regarding the objects in the video, we don't know if they are relevant or not.  I never said that he "threw them down".  I stated that perhaps there was a reason that the person filming appeared to pan to them and asked the question whether or not they were evidence.  I don't know if they were thrown down by the victim or if they are even relevant.  I just asked the question of what they were and if it was relevant evidence.  We can speculate about that minor detail all we want.  Could they be items taken from the home where the apparent trespass took place?  Could one of the items been a weapon that the victim dropped?  He was known to carry weapons in his waistband.  One might wonder what the objects were and if they are indeed evidence in the investigation.  You presented your theory and I am just asking if it's possible that the camera turned to those objects for a reason.

My biggest complaint is how this is being portrayed in the media (both MSM and social media).  Just as an example.  Your use of the term "posse" could imply that it was "a bunch of rednecks chasing down a black guy" for no reason.  It was two guys that were chasing someone that they suspected of multiple crimes in the area that had been caught on camera prior.  Was it the right thing to do?  Obviously not.  However that doesn't prove an intent to shoot a man for his skin color.

Another example is saying that perhaps the guy filming the video "thought that the victim was about to get mowed down".  Why would somebody think that?

I agree that the whole thing was tragic and never should have happened.  I agree that the suspects made a poor decision.  I fail to see the intent to kill an "innocent" man based on his skin color.

I'm wrestling with how to respond. I can only assume you think that I think this is race-related. For what it's worth, I don't. It's an unfortunate situation that resulted in a man's death. What is the most frustrating thing I've seen is others and MSM assign guilt to Arbery for his untimely death. Guilt for trespassing? Questionable character? Sure. But not responsible for his death.

The term "posse" apparently has racist connotations for you - I can't control that. I meant it literally: an armed group of people out to impose their will. 

I didn't present my "theory" - I provided plausible scenarios in addition to your line of questioning about what was thrown down or fell out of Arbery's shorts as he ran. 

I also don't know what world you think we live in, but it is absolutely possible that if the guy filming is a friend and knows tensions are high (they admitted they chased him for a while, trying to cut off his escape in addition to their frustration over local theft) and knows they're packing, he may move the camera away so as to not have evidence of his friends making a bad mistake he saw coming. I don't see it not being possible, especially given the situation and the type of weapons in possession. If it were me, you would've heard me saying as I recorded: "Jesus, please don't do it" 

It ended up not mattering anyways, as he caught the interaction in the end....which is why I said the most likely scenario is that he lost his grip on the phone or misplaced the phone's line of sight as he gradually turned. Regardless, I recognized three separate and very plausible reasons for the cameraman's behavior. Where are we - you and I - at a crossroads? Seems like it's in semantics?

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