(05-18-2020, 06:11 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(05-18-2020, 05:57 PM)Last42min Wrote: I'm on the fence until more information comes out. I don't subscribe to the idea that the incoming National Security Advisor can't call a foreign diplomat to discuss future relations. Most administrations have done that. The Logan Act, in this case, is ridiculous. That said, Flynn did have some shady dealings with foreign governments. I don't think it was unreasonable that he was on the radar. That doesn't mean that it was acceptable to unmask him and undermine his rights for that phone call. If the FBI thinks he was doing something shady, they don't get to just start spying on an American citizen without a warrant. I think, when it all comes down to it, there's going to be pressure to release the transcript of Flynn's phone call. If he said something that could be criminal, I would be much less inclined to care.

However, Flynn aside. I find it particularly concerning that the FBI wrote "get him to lie or get him fired." Getting him to lie doesn't really bother me, because any time you think a person may be lying, you want to try to catch them in a lie, and I feel that falls within the purview of an investigation. However, it is completely out of bounds for anyone in the FBI to get someone fired. In what world should the FBI enact it's own justice, even if this dude was an informant. At best, it's an abuse of power. Someone needs to be punished.

I tend to believe Barr. I think it would be a fool's errand to go after Obama or Biden. Part of the role of punishment is to deter future abuse of power, and I think hitting Clapper or Comey would be sufficient.

He wasn't fired for any of this mumbo jumbo though.
He wasn't fired for lying to the FBI.
He wasn't fired for being a foreign agent of the republic of Turkey.
He wasn't fired for failing to fill out the required registration forms to be a foreign agent of the republic of Turkey.
He wasn't fired for having a phone call with the ambassador from Russia during the transition period.
He was simply fired for lying to the vice president.
He chose to lie to the vice president, he got caught, and the vice president and the president demanded his resignation at that time.
He got prosecuted after he was fired.  By Trump's appointees.
This is only coming up now to distract everyone from something else.