(05-20-2020, 11:35 AM)MalabarJag Wrote:

(05-19-2020, 09:02 PM)mikesez Wrote: The nicest way to put it is that Michael Flynn is a complex character.
The truth is that he is a chameleon always looking for his next mark.
We can't be sure exactly why Obama fired him, but it does not seem to have been over a sincere difference of opinion regarding America's national interest.
A lot of people disagreed with Obama about America's national interest. Some of them thought we should get closer to Turkey, perhaps. Some of them thought we should get closer to Russia, even though Russia was invading Crimea.  Yet no sincere person believed all three things.

If you pick a fight to get Obama to fire you, then write a book about how out of touch Obama is, but then take money from both Russia and from Turkey, you're not a sincere American patriot, with a difference of opinion, no, you're just after fame and money. Everyone in the Obama administration who dealt with Flynn knew this. Pence knew this.

The lie that Flynn told Pence probably concerned one of these things. Trump knew this also at one time. He is just conveniently forgetting, to get an anti-Biden story into the news cycle.

BLUE: Obama fired Flynn because they strongly disagreed on Iran. Bringing up Turkey and Russia is a typical Leftist red-herring.

RED: Taking money from a foreign country is not unpatriotic. Performing what that country asks in opposition to US interests (such as allowing them to take over US uranium rights) while taking money would be unpatriotic, as would using US government influence to pressure that country into allowing your son to continue getting money. In the case of Turkey it is a NATO member nation, and can't just be treated with the garbage Erdogan deserves. Russia is a major nuclear power who can wipe out half the planet. Because of that Putin can't be treated with the garbage he deserves either. Same with China, a country the Left massively panders to.

GREEN: The lie that Flynn told Pence was that he didn't have a conversation with the Russian ambassador, but you knew that.

First of all, you're one of the better posters here.  Lots of moving parts in my post and I appreciate you color coding the various responses.
You're likely right that Flynn and Obama disagreed about Iran in particular.  Iran and Turkey are cool to each other, but they're in conflict over Syria.  Russia and Iran are on friendly terms. The Turkish lobbying work lines up a little better with belligerence to Iran.  Being friendly with Russia doesn't line up at all.
I actually have no idea what lie Pence caught Flynn in.

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