(05-29-2020, 07:33 PM)JagJohn Wrote:

(05-29-2020, 06:00 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: No.  I'm not going to deny that there are in fact still people that hold racist beliefs.  However, I would estimate that the percentage is VERY small.  I know people around my age (mid 50's) that have learned that racist ideas were wrong.  Their elders (parents, relatives, etc.) might not have.  I know that my great aunt used to call black people "coloreds" until the day that she died.  There was no changing a 90 year old woman's mind about that.

I would guess that most people age 60 or less don't believe or look at race/color the way that they did pre-1970 or so.

As far as "racial injustice", I don't think that it's a real "problem" today.  Everyone has the same opportunity to achieve (or not) whatever they want to achieve.  A poor black kid growing up poor in a ghetto has the ability to become an award winning neurosurgeon. - Ben Carson

A black woman who grew up in Birmingham, Alabama when segregation was still a thing became Secretary of State. - Condoleezza Rice.

A poor black man grew up to become the CEO of a major food chain. - Herman Cain

People need to get rid of the whole "victim" deal, especially with regards to race.

Since I answered your question why not answer what I have been asking?  Regarding this whole case, why did the officers take the suspect down to the ground and why were they restraining him the way that they were (as shown in the publicly released videos/pictures)?  Why is that part left out of any video clips or pictures?

I would put money on it that the reason they did that wasn't because of his race or skin color.  There had to be a reason.

And before anyone says that I'm justifying or condoning the actions that the officers took, I am not.  I'm just questioning why they did what they did and what led up to it.  That part hasn't been presented yet in the court of public opinion.

centuries of oppression created a structured society that still leaves many people facing much greater odds of achieving "success". Of course there are examples of people who have beaten the odds, but there are so many more examples of people who could not.

No...  They didn't.  After the Civil War, from 1860 to 1960 Black America went through one of the greatest economic expansions in the history of MANKIND (1945ish to 1960ish was basically an economic miracle.)  At that time, black unemployment rates were comparable to their white counterparts, middle class expansion had actually outpaced them and the rate of two parent households was slightly higher than their white counterparts.  Had that trend continued then Black America today would be more on par with Asian Americans than our current situation.  When you look at Black children of two parent college educated parents, they actually have a higher expected earning capacity than white children of the same background.  

I hope that your vision of an equal society is something that we could achieve in the future, but I think there are many things that should be done to help bridge the seemingly increasing gaps that have emerged. NYC's logical and clear proposals about reforming police use of force and vetting for racial bias seems like an obvious immediate example of something that could make a difference, even if only in perception at first.

As bad as anything gets in this country, Venezuala isn't the answer.  Why do I bring up Venezuala?  Because they are the perfect example of a centrally planned state run economy.  In the 1960's black America outsourced its agency to the war on poverty and state solutions to our problems.  To that time we have spent some 20 trillion dollars and enacted failed policy after failed policy with the false promise of FILLING THE RACE GAP and in reality it made things worse.  

The greatest indicator of the success of a child isn't the color of their skin, its the makeup of their household and the presence of the father in the home.  At current, 90%ish of Asian American children are raised in two parent households, 72% for white Americans, 51% of Hispanic Americans, and only 27% of Black children.  That disparity is straight out of the inherent flaws in the welfare state, the war on poverty, and secular progressivism.  That level of illegitimacy has absolutely no historical correlation to what used to be a faith lead community.  Whenever anything bad happens progressives are quick to ask How blacks did in the 100 years after slavery, but never even allow the question of how blacks have done after 60 years of liberal policies. 

As to the current situation, I still ask the question "Is Keith Ellison a shill for the Alt Right?"  Why do I ask the question?  Because you and the left continue to proliferate the myth that there is some kind of structural or institutional bias against black Americans.  No one ever stops to ask how certain segments of society are structured and how that influences the institutions that govern them.  In the Case of Minnesota we have burned down a city based on the illusion of racial bias, but no one has brought up the fact that the chief law enforcement officer in the State is a Black Muslim Democrat who was endorsed by the Democratic socialists of America to run the Democrat national convention.  I am sure that he got 90+% of the vote from the community that is now claiming to be "voiceless".  This is already a state that has laws on the books that mandate a store owner has to retreat to safety and can't confront a looter with lethal force.  Does that sound like some mecca of Backwoods conservatism?  Does that sound like some walking Trump Rally?  Is Keith Ellison just a front man for David Duke?  Is Ilhan Ohmar a secret daughter of the confederacy?  

When will it ever be okay for black people to look at the Democrats they elect and ask "Hey, hows that working for us?"

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