(05-30-2020, 01:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(05-30-2020, 12:29 PM)jj82284 Wrote: 12 pages in and you've still yet to objectively isolate an it.  You have a right to feel however you want, but in order to have meaningful common citizenship there has to be a shared commitment to rational expressions of what is true.  Otherwise your nebulous "feelings" are NO DIFFERENT or more relevant than the feelings of a David Duke.

I've explained "it" to you multiple times. 12 pages in and you still can't read. 

"It" is :
  The widespread national distrust of police resulting from injustices real and perceived between police and the African American/people of color citizenship of our country. 

It's a problem that will continually create more problems if ignored or treated with half-measures. 

Your last sentence may be the stupidest thing I've seen you post, but that's a high bar. 
I'm not posting my feelings at all except maybe when I insult you. *shrug*
I'm posting about an obvious issue that is a stark reality in America and what I deem as some practical first steps toward repairing it. 

This has zero to do with my feelings or your feelings unless you're someone of color who is disaffected as a result of watching that man get killed by a cop while begging for his life.  There are millions of such Americans. 

The charging/sentencing of the officers responsible is the obvious first step - but my little corner of the discussion moved past that pages ago. That will happen - it's a given.  We can only speculate that outcome now. 
 
I thought a post several pages ago suggesting good will reform measures would be an obvious "next step idea" to repairing "IT" but that suggestion has been met with a dozen posts declaring:

There isn't a problem
There's a problem but it's so tiny it doesn't matter
Racism doesn't really exist in America anymore
This wasn't about race
And a number of other 'head in the sand" responses that ignore a problem that isn't going away on it's own.

Where to begin.  

Now, I and Lastmin42 have been criticized for trying to "explain things away with numbers," or "citing statistics until they become meaningless" etc.  Now, If you're someone operating in GOOD WILL then at some point, reality matters!  If we're having a discussion about policing in America then that means that you have to have an actual picture of what's going on in the country before you can decide A.) If there is a systemic problem and B.) how to change it.  Problems can be fixed.  People's perceptions/world view bias on the other hand is something that's completely different.  

In this case I have asked repeatedly, "what evidence is there that Race had anything to do with what happened?"  I'm not saying that it couldn't have had anything to do with it.  I am not saying that I am vouching for the character of the officer.  I have simply asked to show me the evidence!  If you can't show me the evidence of racial injustice in this case, then how can you reasonably link it to what you perceive as a larger systemic problem of racial injustice.  When it comes to your larger idea of racial injustice I simply ask again, Show me the evidence.  I have cited the numbers that show there is no such trend, LastMin42 has cited his stats.  Thomas Sowell, Black Economist, has written extensively on his analysis.  I posted the link to an article.  If we're to be a nation of common citizenship then that means that we have to be able to express and back up our positions in the arena of ideas to come to common consensus.  If you just want to shrink back into your world view or the narrative you find most cathartic then that's on you.  Just understand that's not having a rational position on an issue, that's clinging to your own prejudice.  That's unfortunately a sad part of human nature that is beyond common sense.  

If you don't want to talk about numbers then I'll bring it back to people.  We're twelve pages in, one city burned to the ground and riots spreading across the country because of "white supremacy" "institutional racism" "racial injustice" etc. and has anyone brought up the fact that two of the officers involved were minorities?  Anyone?  What about the fact that the police chief is a minority?  Is BLM blaring that from speakers?  What about the Mayor....  Minority.  Anyone talking about that?  What about the Samali immigrant congress woman who worships at the SJW altar?  Anyone?  What about the State Attorney General?  Black Muslim Male endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America to be the head of the Democratic national convention.  Does that sound like a white supremacist institution to you?

The LIE about the protests is that black people, or minorities don't have a voice in America.  There are a lot of black people in particular who sacrificed against a bunch of odds to move into positions of power.  I may not agree with every position they hold, the role of the state, etc. etc. etc. but it never crossed my mind that Eric Holder or Lorreta Lynch were shills for the White supremacists, or that they were proliferating the oppression of black people.  The problem with the SJW left is that they use "racial injustice" as some nebulous amorphous term to mean anything they want at any time they want to transpose the emotion from any tragedy of sufficient national attention that happens to affect a minority to advance their political agenda.  Then when you point out that most if not all of the people involved in said tragedy were minorities or progressives "oh well you don't understand...  White supremacy is in the DNA of the country, the poor black police chief is hypnotized by the either of Jim Crow and because slavery and the middle passage etc. etc. etc."  There's no solution to that.  There's no common sense to that.  That's not about sense or reason, that's about advancing world view bias not discourse.  

In this case, it's not about "the police need more training" its not about "they need to screen more" etc. it should be about "Hey, we VOTED (at 90% plus) for Keith Ellison.  We voted for a Jewish Maoyor." Just let them do their JOBS!!!  This aint 1950 where the City Council met at the local KLAVERN!!!

BTW.  Anyone notice how even from the progressives they never say the solution is "hey listen, there's no way that someone outside our community is going to get in line before we do to take the badge and protect our community?"  Is TI saying that?  Kaepernick?  Killer Mike?  If you're going to go the black nationalism route at least go the masculine aggressive black nationalism route.

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