(05-30-2020, 04:39 PM)jj82284 Wrote:

(05-30-2020, 03:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Comments in red. 

You can keep just talking about something different than what I'm talking about  - and then pretending that's what I was talking about --- but it's really lame.

Way to respond in Good faith.  

Again, you say "there is mistrust between black Americans and the police."  Ok.  Is that mistrust based on perception or is it based on material fact.  I and others have pointed out that in reality, its not based on fact.  It's based on a false perception.  When a lack of trust is about false perception and not a material fact then the only way to re-establish trust is to divorce people from a false premise!  

You keep saying "well vet people better"  and then when i ask "prove this incident had anything to do with race" you say that proof or reason or the actual connection of this incident to racial injustice is IRRELEVANT?  That makes NO SENSE.  If you're vetting for something that isn't a contributing factor to an underlying problem, or in this case a lack there of, then its not going to change anything.  And when it doesn't change anything then that means that there will be another incident that occurs and the false premise is still in tact. I think that your resistance to factual analysis has less to do with your legitimate belief in its relevance and a lot more to do with your love of the underlying premise and how it serves your world view.

Ultimately, the disagreement boils down to the part in bold. You say you have 'pointed it out', but you really haven't, and there is no way you can in the face of masses of evidence to the contrary. All your cherry-picked statistics cannot point out something that is clearly not the case. I could throw hundreds of statistics at you to 'point out' the opposite... But what's the point?

In the end, when we look back on this era in many years time, you guys will be on the wrong side of history, just as those who fought against civil rights were. I'm sure that thought doesn't make you happy at all, and ultimately makes people stick their heads in the sand even more. But that's the way it is.

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