(05-30-2020, 06:53 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:

(05-30-2020, 04:39 PM)jj82284 Wrote: Way to respond in Good faith.  

Again, you say "there is mistrust between black Americans and the police."  Ok.  Is that mistrust based on perception or is it based on material fact.  I and others have pointed out that in reality, its not based on fact.  It's based on a false perception.  When a lack of trust is about false perception and not a material fact then the only way to re-establish trust is to divorce people from a false premise!  

You keep saying "well vet people better"  and then when i ask "prove this incident had anything to do with race" you say that proof or reason or the actual connection of this incident to racial injustice is IRRELEVANT?  That makes NO SENSE.  If you're vetting for something that isn't a contributing factor to an underlying problem, or in this case a lack there of, then its not going to change anything.  And when it doesn't change anything then that means that there will be another incident that occurs and the false premise is still in tact. I think that your resistance to factual analysis has less to do with your legitimate belief in its relevance and a lot more to do with your love of the underlying premise and how it serves your world view.

Vetting isn't only about race. Of course I've laid this out already as well.  It's about identifying those officers that are in it for the adrenalin rush and get off on inflicting force. We've all known someone like this. Also identifying any other officer prone to have an issue with violence or a general imbalance/mental health issue.  Basic "temperament for the job" stuff.  

So yes, whether Chauvin or any of the other officers in this incident are racists is indeed irrelevant to whether or not you seek to improve vetting, bias training, and force/brutality training.  You seek to improve those things because that's what is required to move forward in the court of public opinion and there is simply no downside to improving those aspects of officer training.  We'll just disagree on whether it would make any difference apparently as you believe it wouldn't and I believe it would.