(05-30-2020, 08:54 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:

(05-30-2020, 06:53 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: first bolded question:
I've already answered this over and over. Are you just skimming this thread? The people's mistrust is based in reality and in a "magnified/distorted perception"  that doesn't reflect how often these incidents really happen. Both. 
I've also already said the false premise being propagated by both social and news media is yet ANOTHER issue that will have to be tackled. I merely hadn't gotten to the point of attempting to figure out practical solutions yet as I was still trying to justify my initial suggestion to you and others. I'd love to hear anyone's ideas on that. 

Vetting isn't only about race. Of course I've laid this out already as well.  It's about identifying those officers that are in it for the adrenalin rush and get off on inflicting force. We've all known someone like this. Also identifying any other officer prone to have an issue with violence or a general imbalance/mental health issue.  Basic "temperament for the job" stuff.  
So yes, whether Chauvin or any of the other officers in this incident are racists is indeed irrelevant to whether or not you seek to improve vetting, bias training, and force/brutality training.  You seek to improve those things because that's what is required to move forward in the court of public opinion and there is simply no downside to improving those aspects of officer training.  We'll just disagree on whether it would make any difference apparently as you believe it wouldn't and I believe it would. 

I have no resistance to factual analysis. None at all. Especially if it's relevant. I've been presented with plenty today that is irrelevant to the issues I continue to raise.  I do have a resistance to head in the sand logic, moving goalposts, and inability to read and understand a counter argument.

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If something is only broken "a little bit" it doesn't hurt to double down on fixing it, and here's the important part you keep ignoring,  especially when it serves to help a parallel issue infinitely more than the one that's "barely broken." 

Public perception and mistrust being the parallel issue.

Its not even a little bit. Its "not worth noticing unless you have some thing material benefit to gain from it" broken. Report on every single  one of the other literal millions of encounters that don't end this way and see how people feel then. Or magnify an infinitesimally small number of bad encounters and pretend  they are the norm so the sheep will think you're making some huge societal change when really you're just sitting back making a buck off of the morons. Public perception right now is that cops should be aggressively putting this nonsense down and every day this goes on makes that more true.

Yeah. It is a little bit. That's why we see evidence of wrongful death as often as we do right now. 

I shouldn't be surprised that the same set of posters who are okay with sacrificing "X" number of seniors so we can reopen Applebees during a pandemic is the same set that is fine with 'X" number of wrongful deaths equating to "we don't have to do jack [BLEEP] about this. There is no problem worth fixing."

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