(06-04-2020, 09:05 PM)JagJohn Wrote:

(06-04-2020, 05:49 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: The problem is the media (mainstream and social) identifies the rioters and looters as "protesters". I completely agree with your first point. The other problem is that "police brutality" isn't that big of a problem and really isn't that prevalent. Sure there are a few "bad apples" in police departments, but the number is probably less than 1% when looking at all law enforcement officers across the country. Your comment here instantly made me think of this Chris Rock bit, it's only 2 mins long so definitely worth a watch. Might even make you chuckle! https://youtu.be/1h5sRgW6sQY

Leftists like you try to push the narrative that ALL police abuse their power.  That is simply not the case. Here you go with the classic conservative straw man tactic, where have I ever said that ALL police abuse their power? I know for certain that there are many good, honest, decent police officers out there who have dedicated their lives to trying to make the world a better place. At the same time, I think the general tactics of the police in America are ludicrous. It's all designed to be so adversarial, and so often it makes a bad situation immediately worse. These are the kinds of things that need to be reformed.

Let me ask you this.  You said that you are in Mexico.  How is the law enforcement there?  Any corruption?

I'm not sure why this is relevant. I'm not criticizing American police and praising the rest of the world's police. Mexico has an entirely [BLEEP] up situation with police; widespread corruption, violence, and the fact they are generally pretty useless are all big issues. But how is this relevant? Do you simply want to say that American police are better than Mexican police? Because you should really aim higher.

(06-04-2020, 09:34 PM)JagJohn Wrote: And one final point about the "few bad apples" argument. George Floyd died because one officer knelt on his neck for 8 minutes and 47 seconds. He was surrounded by 3 other officers, who did nothing to stop him killing this man. Multiple onlookers repeatedly said that he was dying, it was obvious. The officer continued to kneel on his neck for almost 3 minutes after his body had gone limp and lifeless, still none of the other 3 officers stopped him. That makes 4 "bad apples". What a terribly tragic coincidence that all 4 officers at the scene that day happened to be from this tiny tiny minority of "bad apple" cops. Or maybe the problem is more widespread than you are making out?

To be clear, I'm not suggesting that all 4 of these cops were dispicable racist thugs who set out that day to take a black man's life. I am saying that this incident shows how their are clear and obvious problems with how the police operate. Too often these situations are made worse by the actions of police; this needs to be the basis of police reform.

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(06-04-2020, 09:22 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Excuses excuses.

Wow, you really didn't read anything I just wrote, did you?