(06-07-2020, 09:55 AM)Last42min Wrote: 1. No one is saying what you're suggesting. Even if you bring in the national guard, people can protest. Just don't loot anything, kill people. or burn stuff. It's not rocket science, and stop conflating the two. We aren't struggling with this concept. You are.
Thank you.
2. Agree.
I still don't know how Killer Mike can walk out on national television with a shirt that reads "Kill your masters" in the middle of a race riot and not get asked a question about it. Makes no sense.
3. This is a tired argument dragged out by the left to undermine American values. Yes. America's original sin was slavery. It was hotly contested at the time, and many people lamented the fact that they couldn't change it, while others saw it as a way of life. The price we paid came at a great cost. The traditions created a subculture of hate that fell out of favor in the 70's. What still exists are codified laws that infantilize blacks and treat them like they are less capable than whites, by a group of liberal elites that string them along for votes. So, yes. I agree that America still has racists. They just look like progressives.
Exactly right. I would add, slavery was a sin of America at its founding, but the term "original sin" leads people to believe that somehow this was something that America started, spearheaded, or was even a leading factor in. I think of all slaves that were exported from Africa, Ameirca took roughly 5%. Also, it was the ideas of our founding that lead to the abolition of slavery and made the west, not the eastern cultures, the leading force to eradicate slavery around the world. In some Muslim Countries when they tried to abolish slavery there were mass riots and the practice had to be reinstituted. In the Eastern Slavetrade they practiced mass castration with a 90% mortality rate. Think about that. So in Muslim Countries if they wanted 100k slaves they would kill 900k through exsanguination following Castration.
Also, There were two main philosophies in northern America: The Jamestown School and the Plymouth school. In Plymouth and parts of New England they never had slaves. This area pioneered the concept of individual rights. This lead to the norths resistance to slavery, and the concept of limited government. Jamestown was a different story. Jamestown was based on the idea of collectivism and top down control. This ideology is what lead to the idea that one group of people could marginalize the rights of others. Ironically this ideology was the forefather of Jim Crow AND the identity politics left.
Moreover, the left never acknowledges the fact that for the last 100 years, they have been, for the most part, in charge of most of the bureaucratic levers of power in this country. They talk about income inequality, we have 72k pages of progressive income tax law, that was supposed to fix that. They talk about redlining, we have Fannie MAe Fannie MAc Ginnie Mae Ginnie Mac, the FHA, State licensure for mortgage brokers, lenders, etc. and so on. Not to mention the fact that you have the Federal reserve arbitrarily setting interest rates. When will we actually see any questions about the results of the institutions that we fund as taxpayers.
Also, there isn't really a correlation between discrimination and wealth disparity. Just look at the current demographic breakdowns, Jews, Chinese and Japanese achieve at levels greater than whites. Blacks Mexicans and Puerto Ricans achieve at levels less well off. Did the evil sadistic racist puppet masters just forget about Hebrews? If you ask the White Nationalists they will flatly tell you they hate them most of all. What about the black community itself. Why is there wealth Gap between white women and black women if its just about the color of your skin? did we not redline against black women and only black men? What about the various subsets of black Americans? Why is it that black couples where both have college degrees have developed parody with their white counterparts? Is this an oversight of systemic racism? What about Caribbean's and West Indians? Why have they historically been in relative Income parody with whites and not the native born American black population? Let's look at other countries. What about the Chinese minority in Malasia? You don't have to ask whether or not they are discriminated against. As you mentioned, there have been codes on the books discriminating against them with restrictions, quotas and the rest of it. Why then have they historically outperformed the malaise majority? You could say the same thing about Jews and Japanese outperforming domestic hispanics. There were certain texts and memos in Russia written in German because at the time so many of the officers were German. The idea that there should be some even representation of people in any economic activity is an ahistorical assertion of post modern multiculturalism. The current disparities between blacks and whites is always talked about in terms of 400 years of racial discrimination and invidious standards, but no one stops to ask that if that's the case, why is there an even greater difference between Japanese Americans and Puerto Ricans for example?
America CANNOT BE a systemically racist country. The economy is too diverse. If one person doesn't like you because you are tall, black, red white or so on you can go right along to someone else who won't share that persons prejudice, taste, vision or whatever name you wish to give it. If you have a good or service that has value then there will be someone who wants to buy it. If you are credit worthy, then there will be a bank that will lend you money. If you have an idea that is worthy of investment there will be someone willing to invest. And if someone passes over you for an employee that is less qualified the market IMPOSES A COST. IF someone lends money to an applicant that is less qualified, THE MARKET IMPOSES A COST. If someone invests in a business that is less profitable than yours then THE MARKET IMPOSES A COST. In fact it is the institutions that are most insulated from economic pressures that are most free to express their bias and prejudice. That's why at the highest levels of academia we have tangible admitted discrimination against Asian Students, just like they discriminated against Jewish students in the past. That's why state agencies can express political grievance through policy and so on.
That's not to say that there aren't obstacles to building wealth in this country, but those obstacles were created by the very state apparatus that you and your ilk prescribe to UPLIFT the lower classes. Regulations, licensure, poor schooling etc. These are all entities created and wholly owned by the left. But for whatever reason as long as you slap the word "fairness" on a box, it doesn't matter whatever fesis is inside or how many people wind up dying in the mind of leftist "do-gooders"
