(06-10-2020, 01:40 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(06-10-2020, 12:32 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Why should a narrative go unchallenged? Who else is going to publicly broadcast a lie that was told? You think any news agency is going to retract it? I don't know what's true or not. I'm waiting for the evidence, but your reasoning is so terrible.

If there is evidence that comes out that shows this dude faked it for a photo op, is anyone that condemned the police or Trump going to change their tune? It's just going to be "reasoned" away like the statement above.

There are always stragglers, but, yes, some people will change their tune if new and surprising evidence comes out.

Your reasoning is terrible because you are hedging based on behavior you imagine from people you imagine as your enemies.  I mean, it's not reasoning so much as storytelling for you, isn't it?  And why would you care if these enemies admit their folly? "I will persist in folly because my enemies also persist." Listen to youself!

Gotta do better than "he put his phone up to the cops' waistband." Because, come on.  Grab hand, take phone, make arrest.  No shove.  Right?

Reread what I typed. I said I don't know what is true, either way. If evidence comes out (like Jack City suggests) that this dude was seriously hurt. It's an asinine tweet from the President. If evidence comes out that this was a publicity stunt, it's not an asinine tweet from the President. If the latter happens, and no one changes the narrative, that's on them. I personally want to assume that the President has more information than the same internet meme I saw floating around. That said, I also know there's a chance he saw the same things I did and just tweeted about it, which is irresponsible. Maybe the truth is in the middle and it was a publicity stunt gone wrong. The more misinformation that goes around, the less people are going to trust institutions. So, they follow a narrative. And let's be real, there is a lot of misinformation going around. I am not sure it's possible to even follow the evidence anymore.

I'd also like to address the seemingly constant issue of conflating riots and protests, but arguing about this stuff is like whack-a-mole.

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