(06-11-2020, 11:43 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(06-11-2020, 09:27 AM)TJBender Wrote: that Antifa actually exists (it doesn't) and is organizing everything. I don't go out of my way to defend three (h-word, apparently)s who now very clearly have been shown to have hit a man with their truck then shot him repeatedly because he was running down the street. I don't call a 75-year-old man who got his skull cracked in by a police a terrorist, nor do I defend police for shoving him backwards onto concrete or make any effort to defend disgusting conduct by them. I know that the historical atrocities happened, I know that they've been glossed over in the past, and I'm glad they're finally out there and in your face to the point that they're being addressed. And I will never be in favor of any monument or flag honoring a traitor.

TJ, dude. I promise you ANTIFA exists. The reason you don't believe any of the other stuff is because you don't recognize the degree to which people are working to undermine the fabric of American society. I am not even claiming they are evil. I think at least most of these people believe America is bad and that they can form a better society. If you really pay attention to the underpinnings of these arguments, you will see that there is a "face" of it, which is somewhat reasonable, and a belly of it, which is not. If I thought for a second that the narrative would stop at the face, I would be much more inclined to endorse it, but it's been shown time and time again that it's not really about that. There will always be something to follow it. Not to mention, the flow of the argument always goes in one direction.