Create Account


Board Performance Issues We are aware of performance issues on the board and are working to resolve them! The board may be intermittently unavailable during this time. (May 07) x


The Jungle is self-supported by showing advertisements via Google Adsense.
Please consider disabling your advertisement-blocking plugin on the Jungle to help support the site and let us grow!
We also show significantly less advertisements to registered users, so create your account to benefit from this!
Questions or concerns about this ad? Take a screenshot and comment in the thread. We do value your feedback.
Rayshard Brooks

#15

(06-14-2020, 02:02 AM)p_rushing Wrote:
(06-14-2020, 12:13 AM)TJBender Wrote: I almost think it's justifiable use of force. Physical altercation, stolen taser, run for it, shoots the taser in the direction of a pursuing officer.

Here's why I think the cops were in the wrong, and if my understanding of tasers is fundamentally wrong, tell me and I'll back down. Tasers are single-shot cartridges. After that cartridge is fired, the taser is rendered useless as a ranged weapon. It can still fry the living [BLEEP] out of someone if you pin it to their body, but based upon where everyone was and was going, that taser's potential to be a deadly weapon had passed. So now you're firing a few rounds into someone who has rendered their own weapon useless by firing it wildly, stacking the deck dramatically in favor of the guy with the gun and, imo, making it an unnecessary escalation. I don't buy for a second that race played into it. I think it was instinct, and that instinct was wrong. Again, if semiautomatic tasers are a thing now, I'll retract all of that and agree that use of deadly force was warranted.

There's no doubt the victim wasn't an angel. I mean, how many angels pass out drunk at Wendy's? But is running from the police and badly missing with a single-shot weapon grounds to kill someone? No, I don't think so. If the taser had been rendered useless as a ranged threat, using a firearm was a poor decision.

There are 2 shot models so that if you miss on the 1st shot there is a backup. I don't know what models the police had though. Once you threaten the cops, they do not know if you have another weapon. You have already fired a taser at them, you cannot assume a criminal doesn't have another weapon. There were a bunch of bystanders who could have been injured or taken hostage.


The cop has been fired already, not even placed on administrative leave but out right fired. Cops really need to think about striking. Watch the video of the struggle, the cops could have easily ended that situation if they would have just used force then. There wouldn't have been an escape if they used force to restrain him.

The cop would have know what taser model he was carrying. If it was a two-shot model and there was another cartridge ready to go, then I would say lethal force was absolutely justified.
Reply


Messages In This Thread
Rayshard Brooks - by jj82284 - 06-13-2020, 08:11 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by p_rushing - 06-13-2020, 09:20 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JagJohn - 06-13-2020, 10:30 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-13-2020, 10:56 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JagJohn - 06-13-2020, 11:14 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-14-2020, 12:35 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by Sammy - 06-14-2020, 08:06 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-14-2020, 09:05 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by Sammy - 06-14-2020, 03:46 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by HURRICANE!!! - 06-14-2020, 09:25 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-14-2020, 09:37 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by p_rushing - 06-13-2020, 11:00 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by TJBender - 06-14-2020, 12:13 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by p_rushing - 06-14-2020, 02:02 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by TJBender - 06-14-2020, 02:23 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JackCity - 06-14-2020, 02:36 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JagJohn - 06-14-2020, 03:29 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by Jamies_fried_chicken - 06-14-2020, 12:20 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by Jagsfan32277 - 06-14-2020, 12:37 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by TJBender - 06-14-2020, 01:05 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by jj82284 - 06-14-2020, 08:46 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by TJBender - 06-14-2020, 10:29 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JagJohn - 06-14-2020, 12:41 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JackCity - 06-14-2020, 01:46 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JackCity - 06-14-2020, 02:30 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by Jagsfan32277 - 06-14-2020, 05:53 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by Lucky2Last - 06-14-2020, 06:44 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-14-2020, 08:58 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JackCity - 06-14-2020, 01:35 PM
Copycat - by copycat - 06-14-2020, 01:44 PM
RE: Copycat - by TJBender - 06-14-2020, 02:01 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by jj82284 - 06-14-2020, 02:07 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by TJBender - 06-14-2020, 02:16 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JackCity - 06-14-2020, 04:02 PM
homebiscuit - by homebiscuit - 06-14-2020, 04:06 PM
RE: homebiscuit - by TJBender - 06-14-2020, 04:23 PM
RE: homebiscuit - by mikesez - 06-14-2020, 04:44 PM
RE: homebiscuit - by Sammy - 06-14-2020, 05:35 PM
RE: homebiscuit - by p_rushing - 06-14-2020, 07:02 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by jj82284 - 06-15-2020, 06:55 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by homebiscuit - 06-14-2020, 10:36 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-14-2020, 11:48 AM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by p_rushing - 06-14-2020, 01:52 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by The Drifter - 06-14-2020, 02:39 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by TJBender - 06-14-2020, 03:05 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by p_rushing - 06-14-2020, 03:39 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JackCity - 06-14-2020, 05:37 PM
homebiscuit - by homebiscuit - 06-14-2020, 08:49 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by flsprtsgod - 06-14-2020, 06:05 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by Sammy - 06-14-2020, 06:14 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by JackCity - 06-14-2020, 06:21 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by Lucky2Last - 06-14-2020, 06:22 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by Sammy - 06-14-2020, 06:43 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by Cleatwood - 06-14-2020, 07:27 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by lastonealive - 06-14-2020, 07:37 PM
RE: Rayshatd Brooks - by Bchbunnie4 - 06-14-2020, 07:37 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-14-2020, 07:51 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagJohn - 06-14-2020, 08:11 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Lucky2Last - 06-15-2020, 07:23 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by mikesez - 06-15-2020, 10:04 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagJohn - 06-15-2020, 10:06 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Lucky2Last - 06-15-2020, 01:32 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-15-2020, 10:57 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagJohn - 06-15-2020, 11:07 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by mikesez - 06-15-2020, 11:11 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by flsprtsgod - 06-15-2020, 11:27 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagJohn - 06-15-2020, 11:32 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by flsprtsgod - 06-15-2020, 12:15 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by KodiakJag - 06-16-2020, 12:03 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by americus 2.0 - 06-15-2020, 01:55 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by mikesez - 06-15-2020, 02:11 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-15-2020, 04:30 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by StroudCrowd1 - 06-15-2020, 05:21 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-16-2020, 05:09 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TrivialPursuit - 06-15-2020, 02:14 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by jagibelieve - 06-15-2020, 05:27 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TJBender - 06-15-2020, 06:28 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by The Real Marty - 06-16-2020, 06:01 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TrivialPursuit - 06-16-2020, 08:32 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JaguarKick - 06-16-2020, 09:42 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by flsprtsgod - 06-16-2020, 09:50 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by p_rushing - 06-16-2020, 10:13 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TJBender - 06-16-2020, 11:01 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TrivialPursuit - 06-16-2020, 10:09 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-16-2020, 11:26 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TrivialPursuit - 06-16-2020, 11:44 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TJBender - 06-16-2020, 11:46 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-16-2020, 12:17 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by flsprtsgod - 06-16-2020, 12:49 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-16-2020, 04:36 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by flsprtsgod - 06-16-2020, 05:49 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Sammy - 06-16-2020, 05:54 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by flsprtsgod - 06-16-2020, 05:58 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Sammy - 06-16-2020, 07:52 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by mikesez - 06-16-2020, 08:11 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-17-2020, 03:37 PM
Copycat - by copycat - 06-16-2020, 09:45 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Sammy - 06-16-2020, 04:59 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by mikesez - 06-16-2020, 11:48 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by jagibelieve - 06-16-2020, 02:43 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Sammy - 06-16-2020, 05:15 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-16-2020, 07:57 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by mikesez - 06-16-2020, 09:33 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by p_rushing - 06-16-2020, 10:38 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TJBender - 06-16-2020, 10:56 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Jagwired - 06-16-2020, 11:54 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-16-2020, 02:17 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by mikesez - 06-16-2020, 05:10 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TJBender - 06-16-2020, 05:20 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Sammy - 06-16-2020, 05:24 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TJBender - 06-16-2020, 05:27 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by jagibelieve - 06-16-2020, 06:37 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TrivialPursuit - 06-16-2020, 03:13 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by americus 2.0 - 06-16-2020, 03:21 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by flsprtsgod - 06-16-2020, 04:11 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TJBender - 06-16-2020, 05:09 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Jagsfan32277 - 06-16-2020, 09:54 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by mikesez - 06-16-2020, 09:59 PM
Copycat - by copycat - 06-16-2020, 10:12 PM
RE: Copycat - by mikesez - 06-16-2020, 10:20 PM
RE: Copycat - by flsprtsgod - 06-16-2020, 10:40 PM
Copycat - by copycat - 06-16-2020, 10:44 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-17-2020, 03:45 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TJBender - 06-17-2020, 03:47 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-17-2020, 03:49 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TJBender - 06-17-2020, 03:54 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-17-2020, 03:54 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TJBender - 06-17-2020, 03:57 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-17-2020, 04:02 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-17-2020, 04:07 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TJBender - 06-17-2020, 04:18 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by p_rushing - 06-17-2020, 07:09 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by rollerjag - 06-17-2020, 08:08 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by flsprtsgod - 06-17-2020, 04:19 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by StroudCrowd1 - 06-17-2020, 04:23 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by flsprtsgod - 06-17-2020, 04:28 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-17-2020, 04:45 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by jagibelieve - 06-17-2020, 04:53 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-17-2020, 04:24 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by mikesez - 06-17-2020, 04:52 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-17-2020, 03:56 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-17-2020, 04:08 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-17-2020, 04:37 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by jagibelieve - 06-17-2020, 04:45 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-17-2020, 04:57 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by jagibelieve - 06-17-2020, 05:04 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-17-2020, 05:16 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by StroudCrowd1 - 06-17-2020, 04:51 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by jagibelieve - 06-17-2020, 04:55 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by StroudCrowd1 - 06-17-2020, 05:22 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Sammy - 06-17-2020, 07:09 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-17-2020, 05:31 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by jagibelieve - 06-17-2020, 06:36 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by mikesez - 06-17-2020, 06:45 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Lucky2Last - 06-17-2020, 07:10 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by mikesez - 06-17-2020, 07:17 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-17-2020, 08:40 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by mikesez - 06-17-2020, 08:57 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-17-2020, 09:44 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by mikesez - 06-17-2020, 10:10 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Cleatwood - 06-17-2020, 05:35 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by MalabarJag - 06-17-2020, 06:02 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-17-2020, 06:46 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Sammy - 06-17-2020, 07:18 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Lucky2Last - 06-17-2020, 09:27 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TJBender - 06-17-2020, 09:46 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by mikesez - 06-17-2020, 10:16 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by flsprtsgod - 06-17-2020, 09:48 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagJohn - 06-17-2020, 10:09 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by MalabarJag - 06-18-2020, 06:51 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by flsprtsgod - 06-18-2020, 09:44 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by jj82284 - 06-18-2020, 12:55 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by StroudCrowd1 - 06-18-2020, 01:00 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-17-2020, 11:03 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by p_rushing - 06-17-2020, 11:51 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by americus 2.0 - 06-18-2020, 12:23 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagJohn - 06-18-2020, 01:44 AM
homebiscuit - by homebiscuit - 06-18-2020, 07:33 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Lucky2Last - 06-18-2020, 09:11 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Jagwired - 06-18-2020, 09:38 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-18-2020, 02:47 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TrivialPursuit - 06-18-2020, 12:20 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by americus 2.0 - 06-18-2020, 02:49 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-18-2020, 02:50 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-19-2020, 06:22 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by flsprtsgod - 06-19-2020, 06:38 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by jagibelieve - 06-18-2020, 05:58 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TJBender - 06-19-2020, 09:56 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by StroudCrowd1 - 06-19-2020, 09:59 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TJBender - 06-19-2020, 10:03 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by jagibelieve - 06-19-2020, 10:11 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TJBender - 06-19-2020, 10:18 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-19-2020, 09:04 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by jj82284 - 06-24-2020, 06:38 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by StroudCrowd1 - 06-19-2020, 08:08 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-19-2020, 10:00 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-19-2020, 08:53 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Jamies_fried_chicken - 06-20-2020, 09:37 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TrivialPursuit - 06-20-2020, 11:50 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-20-2020, 01:11 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TrivialPursuit - 06-21-2020, 06:47 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by StroudCrowd1 - 06-19-2020, 08:14 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Lucky2Last - 06-19-2020, 08:25 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by StroudCrowd1 - 06-19-2020, 08:29 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by HURRICANE!!! - 06-19-2020, 10:36 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-19-2020, 11:43 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by MalabarJag - 06-19-2020, 03:47 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-19-2020, 11:26 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Lucky2Last - 06-19-2020, 05:27 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Jamies_fried_chicken - 06-19-2020, 06:02 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by flsprtsgod - 06-19-2020, 07:02 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Lucky2Last - 06-19-2020, 09:22 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Jamies_fried_chicken - 06-20-2020, 09:44 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by copycat - 06-20-2020, 02:28 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-20-2020, 08:55 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by Lucky2Last - 06-20-2020, 10:22 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by jagibelieve - 06-23-2020, 06:15 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-23-2020, 06:36 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by jagibelieve - 06-23-2020, 06:47 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by p_rushing - 06-23-2020, 07:40 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by TJBender - 06-23-2020, 07:46 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JagNGeorgia - 06-24-2020, 12:43 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-25-2020, 11:20 AM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by jagibelieve - 06-25-2020, 02:23 PM
RE: Rayshard Brooks - by JackCity - 06-25-2020, 10:08 PM



Users browsing this thread:
7 Guest(s)

The Jungle is self-supported by showing advertisements via Google Adsense.
Please consider disabling your advertisement-blocking plugin on the Jungle to help support the site and let us grow!
We also show less advertisements to registered users, so create your account to benefit from this!
Questions or concerns about this ad? Take a screenshot and comment in the thread. We do value your feedback.


ABOUT US
The Jungle Forums is the Jaguars' biggest fan message board. Talking about the Jags since 2006, the Jungle was the team-endorsed home of all things Jaguars.

Since 2017, the Jungle is now independent of the team but still run by the same crew. We are here to support and discuss all things Jaguars and all things Duval!