(08-04-2020, 02:11 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote:

(08-04-2020, 12:44 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: The one thing I noticed was that he was complaining that he couldn't breathe before going to the ground.

Which, in turn, made the cops disbelieve him when he said it on the ground.

The point that video clearly makes.. it should never have gotten to that point. Not even close... and I think it's because the Police were initially very soft with him especially compared to my own personal interaction with Police in Jacksonville.

More than likely. He seemed that his cardiac arrest started during his arrest which would explain his not feeling as though he could breathe.

They were soft with him, but I don't think it would have changed anything had they man handled him. I think his behavior was exacerbated by his medical condition. 

(08-04-2020, 02:29 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:

(08-04-2020, 03:40 AM)p_rushing Wrote: Body cams were leaked. Filled in some gaps and info no one reported. Shows some poor training and actions from the rookie cops 1st there to pull his gun. Drugs were definitely an issue. Somehow he got out of the squad car after they got him in it.

It was poor policing and someone on drugs with potential mental issues that caused this. It is going to be hard to convict the 3 cops as there was even a question from one about turning him on his side since he was crashing from the adrenaline and drugs.

The senior cop may get convicted of murder but I see why he didn't want to move him. He arrived on the scene late, knows 2 cops needed backup, he somehow got out of the squad car, the 2 cops think he is on drugs, so once they got him back secure he didn't want to move him until the ambulance was there. He broke protocol and used a banned technique and didn't stop when he was secured. He also didn't protect him when he was crashing. Not sure what the murder law language is, but it may be too strict for a conviction.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...-time.html

That leaked body cam footage answers what I have been saying all along.  There was a reason why he was on the ground and being restrained.

Based on the limited evidence that I have seen, it is my opinion that if this goes to court as charged all three officers will be acquitted (rightfully so).  It will be hard to prove to 12 jurors beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was any intent to commit murder.

The other officers are absolutely getting acquitted.

There's enough doubt here that they may be able to prove it was a medical episode and not murder. I could see them catching some other charge about not providing care to someone in their custody. 

(08-04-2020, 02:33 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:

(08-04-2020, 10:02 AM)p_rushing Wrote: I had the exact same thoughts. If you are in a vehicle to start with, you can get in the back of a SUV with the windows rolled down.


That is the biggest problem with the current "movement". Most of those people think everyone is out to get them or keep them down. No one is reasonable and looking at both sides.

I do think the cop that pulled his gun didn't need to, but that is probably on the training and not putting him in stressful situations. Then allowing him to get out of the squad car was a serious blunder.

I somewhat disagree with the part in bold.  It appears that the cop couldn't see Floyd's right hand.  Drawing the weapon to a close/ready position is defensive.  Where I think the cop made a mistake was allowing the suspect to see it.

Having it out when you don't need it is better than not having it when you do need it that's for sure.

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