(08-06-2020, 04:28 PM)leopold332002 Wrote: (08-06-2020, 03:49 PM)Kane Wrote: Bengals, Phins, Browns, Bears. None of the QBs for these teams nor the defenses are elite.
Also clots with Rivers ain't scaring anyone and their defense is good not great.
the bolts may have a good defense but neither tyrod nor herbert are worrisome.
and the tacks have a question mark at QB as to whether playoff Tannehill is the real Tannehill. But let's say they are the best team in the division, even the tinhorns have an aging and questionable defense and without Nuke the offense will not be the same, albeit with Houdini in the pocket.
so 2 division wins plus 4 wins from Bengals, Phins, Bolts, Browns, Bears.
Add in one of the usual surprise wins against a team we shouldn't beat, or perhaps a team we sometimes have their number even when we're bad a la the Steelers.
It really isn't that crazy to think about a 6-7 win team next year.
I would say 8-8 is the likely ceiling and a goal to prove that A) Minshew IS the man and b) our team is rebuilding in a positive way.
6-7 wins would be a success considering roster turnover of many players, especially if Yan doesn't play or gets moved.
I appreciate your positive feedback and let me debunked some of your argument. Browns, dolphins, Bengals, and the Bears have better roster overall than us as a franchise if you look at it objectively. In the Bears case, they do have a elite defense and as much as I appreciate what Gardner Minshew had done last year he hasn't won a game in his career against a good or Elite defense last year. Philip Rivers always play well against us even at the late stages of his career. The Tennessee Titans roster is built to explore our weakness on defense so that's going to be a problem too. In addition, the Houston Texans roster is as weak as has ever been during the DeShaun Watson era but let's be fair, he always plays well against our defense. Bottom line, I just do not see more than three wins from our team this year because of our inexperience on defense and team's ability to game plan against Gardner Minshew as a result, he might not have the same success as he did last year.
So all the teams that finished worse than us last year got so much better than us in one off season? And we didn't get any better?
I ain't buyin' that my dude.
And no Minshew didn't win any games against elite defenses as a 6th round rookie. You say he might not have the same success as he did last year, and if that is true then we know he isn't a franchise QB and we'll be able to move on fairly easily. But I suspect he'll be better this year.
And I wasn't picking teams that we're definitely going to beat mind you. You asked for teams we could beat in order to manage 6 or 7 wins. I named them. The way you "debunked" every team I mentioned means you think we are winning 0 games?
No matter how bad we've ever been we've always managed to beat some division opponents. I can't recall us ever going 0-6 in the division. And I'm not sure how you can objectively say the Bengals have a better overall roster than us. Or the Phins even...
Bengals, Phins, Panthers, tinhorns, Giants, and Lions were all bottom barrel defenses last year. 4 of those teams are either starting rookie QBs or mediocre ones.
You said to look at the schedule and stated elite defenses and QBs that would give us trouble making it to the 6-7 win mark. I see just enough teams with bad defenses for Minshew to make some magic. And between guys like Stafford (coming off injury and ain't no spring chicken, along with a 'meh' offensive roster) and Rivers (yeah he's had our number but that was with the bolts, not the clots who I'd argue have fewer weapons) and Big Ben (who we've had his number and his best days are way behind him). I think it's fairly possible we can hit the mark you think is unattainable.
If we win more than 8 games I'd be stunned.
If we only win 3, I'd be highly disappointed and it would shed a lot of light as to whether Minshew is the man and whether our OL is ANY good and whether our defense is being rebuilt properly.
Teams that only win 3 games are bad bad bad. (Like the Bengals who only won 2 last year so can't possibly have a better roster overall than us)
(08-07-2020, 09:56 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: (08-06-2020, 06:15 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Doesn't look that bad to me
*Abry Jones adn Taven Bryan clogging up the middle --- LOL
*Cassius Marsh at OLB / heck, last year everyone was complaining about Miles Jack sucking.
*The secondary is totally raw with 2 of the 4 players not even being drafted. This is a passing league except for the teams that know they can run up the gut against the Jags. Nevertheless, there will be plenty of miscommunication in our secondary.
*I'm assuming Yan will play so our edge rushers are looking good
* I see 5 players (Jones, Bryan, Marsh, Herndon, Wilson) that probably wouldn't start on any other team
I believe Leon Jacobs will be our SLB
I also think Hamilton will help a lot. And people still dogging Taven Bryan weren't paying attention last season. He has improved greatly. Won't ever be worth his first round selection, but that ain't on him.
