(08-23-2020, 12:36 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(08-22-2020, 10:54 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: With you it seems the left is always manufacturing a narrative. Perhaps, on other hand, things change over time and subsequently pass you by. And just an example of what you've asked for; the bit about the left's attack on capitalism and that big corporations are part of that. Bezos and his Amazon empire is about as capitalist as it gets. Yet he's a dyed-in-the-wool left-winger. 

Also, if the left's narrative permeates the fabric of our society so dominantly, how was Trump ever elected president? It can't be the right has its own equally powerful narrative, can it?

The left IS always manufacturing a narrative. So is the right. This is common in politics. However, the extreme on the right is trying to hold on to what is traditional, and the extreme on the left is trying to overthrow our government. I am far more left than the average conservative on this board. I am also relatively well versed on this subject. I shouldn't have to list my credentials every time I get in a discussion, but I have only voted predominantly Republican on one ticket (which was last mid-terms). This is because the left has not wrangled the radical side of it's base, and it's moving left at a dangerous pace. It's politicians are adopting radical rhetoric and embracing cancel culture as a tool to defeat their opponents. I am not ok with the degree to which we are suppressing free thought and free speech. These are bedrocks of a free society. I am ok with with wanting to change systems within our current form of government, but I am absolutely NOT ok with trying overthrow capitalism in favor of socialism. This has resulted in numerous failed governments, and only a person ignorant to history and current world politics could think otherwise. 

Your point about Bezos reinforces my point that I am now seeing Wall Street moving to the left. I'm assuming you can read, so how is it that you didn't understand that part? If there are no consequences for moving left, but right leaning businesses pay a penalty because of the institutional pressure that can be levied upon them, you will not have a free market, and left leaning businesses will have a better shot at success. You see how that works? If you could entertain that idea for a second... I mean, really consider if that's how it works, you could see that is also how the left has gained institutional power in entertainment, academia, and the media. I could post studies that show that leftists tend to be discriminatory at a great rate than conservatives when it comes to hiring practices, but you don't really need to read those to see how it works in real life. Movies with a leftist narrative are green lit. There is a thing called publication bias in academia, and 96% of journalists voted for Hillary Clinton. 

DESPITE this obvious bias, the political world is still split 50/50 in America, more or less, because the PEOPLE don't necessarily want radical change. People are comfortable with their traditions. So, to your point, if that's what you think you're making, the fact that the political world is still relatively even speaks to the fact that these institutional influences haven't been able to convince the populace at large that their ideas are better. HOWEVER, the danger, and my point that you still somehow missed, is now that the left has almost total domination of these institutions, they are leveraging that power to control and silence countervailing narratives. It is this singular idea that I am pushing back against, and I believe that if people don't push back against it as well, it will result in another failed system. Balance is important. Both the right and left need to work together to move forward in peace.

This is the summary of my feelings on the matter, but I am not even touching on the warped philosophies that are plaguing the left. There is a real problem brewing with these new progressive ideologies, and it will destroy Western civilization as we know it, but that's a different topic entirely. I understand how people who don't research this stuff might think that is an exaggeration, but if you start to look into it, you'll see what I mean. It's destructive by design.

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Oh, and next time, why don't you address what I said instead of trying to lump me into some category. This is the problem with people these days. It's easier to "other" people than to actually address the issues.

You make the left sound more competent than they actually are. You should have spoke at their convention last week, lol. My point about Bezos was that while he identifies as being a lefty, he certainly doesn't operate his business as one. So much so that the left complains about pay and working conditions at Amazon. If Bezos is an example of the left's takeover of corporations in attempt to destroy capitalism, he's doing a terrible job so far.

And I'm not sure corporations often identify themselves politically. Sure, some take a side on hot-button issues, but businesses remain largely apolitical. It's profit above everything for the most part with these places. Endangering profits to make a political stand seems stupid. 

Also, assuming the left does take over Wall Street and big business, are they not still going to compete against each other? Of all the threats to capitalism, this take seems least likely.

On that subject, the far left is absolutely a threat to capitalism. That’s a group that believes government has the absolute right to be the arbiter of all that ails society, income inequality being on the top of that list. So, my opinion is the bigger threat to capitalism is the government, and not really the businesses that operate within it.

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(08-23-2020, 12:51 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: This isn’t a recent development brought about by orangeman either.What we’re seeing today is the culmination of a decades-long effort by the left to overturn western establishment in the U.S.
Just look at the story of the two 21-year-old women who harassed and assaulted a family because they had the temerity to display Trump signs. After watching the video I truly believe that not only did they believe their actions were noble, but they had an obligation to do what they did. That is the result of lifelong conditioning, and there’s plenty more like them.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/delaware-poli...from-child

Yeah, this is crap. Leave people and their hats and signs alone.

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