(09-24-2020, 12:42 PM)mikesez Wrote: (09-24-2020, 12:24 PM)p_rushing Wrote: She was the reason they had a warrant for her apartment. She got deliveries for the ring leader at her place, she hid money for him, she delivered cars with who knows what in them, rented a car that then had a dead body in it. The cops had the evidence to get a no knock warrant. The cops definitely expected to find her there and expected to search the house. They did not search the house for a long time because they had to then get a new warrant after the shooting. The boyfriend was also in the house alone for a long time and did not render care, so he was doing something else.
Also the cops were not swat, normally swat should be used for a no knock warrant but they were not. I don't know the training for the cops, but I doubt they are trained well enough for that. If someone is firing, they either need to fire or retreat. Most cops are trained to keep firing until the shooting stops which is hard to hear when multiple people are firing.
1) if they knew that they were going to have to get an updated warrant anyway, that's all the more reason for them to retreat, instead of continuing to fire.
2) the coroner said that she probably died within a minute of being shot. The boyfriend said in his statement to police that she was coughing for a few minutes after being shot, and that he called her mom asking what he should do. ideally, he would have come out with his hands up as soon as he realized that it was the police, but there are lots of excuses for not doing that. Even if he had no reason to believe that he had broken the law, he had every reason to believe that they thought he had broken the law, especially because he knew that he had shot at them, even if it was self-defense in his own mind. In the end, I don't think the boyfriends actions after he realizes she was shot are relevant in any way
For #1, these are regular cops, they are not swat trained. Poor decision on their leadership, but they felt they were trained enough. Falling back would only happen after the shooting stopped. A swat team would provide cover fire and remove the team member shot and start negotiations.
For #2, his actions are relevant because he was alone and had time to destroy evidence. He fired at police while the others did not. There is a reason he fired at the cops or thought someone was there to rob him. There are reasons he did this and the statements from the others seem to point that he was not involved in their drug dealing but was involved in something else.
She didn't need to die and wouldn't have if he doesn't fire. I don't like no knock warrants because a law abiding person would think someone is robing them, but the requirements for the warrant are very high and make it very clear that the cops and public would be in danger if they announced. The cops aren't to blame, the boyfriend and the situation they both put themselves in are to blame. Stop being and associating with criminals and you won't have cops raid your home.
