(10-05-2020, 06:09 PM)Eric1 Wrote:

(10-05-2020, 05:54 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: I think you are failing to realize Minshew came in older and more polished than most of the QBs you're mentioning here.  Allen was much more raw than Minshew as a rookie, but way more athletic.  He appears to be turning the corner this season.  Its about what do you project a young QB to be down the road, rather than what they do in their first year and a half.  If you did that with Peyton Manning, he'd have been benched after his first 16 games in favor of some guy with less talent who was performing better in the short term.  Minshew might already be closer to his ceiling than most of the guys on this list.  Not saying he is, but it is too early to tell.  That's all.

Minshew was 23 years old (he's 24 now) when he came into the NFL lol. It's not like he was 28 years old when he came in like Weeden did. Stop with the he came in much older than everybody else stuff. The difference between 22 and 23 really isn't that big.

He went to Troy, Juco league, East Carolina and Washington State. It's not like he played for some power house team who was known for developing QBs at the NFL level. How polished could he have really been coming out of school.

(10-05-2020, 06:17 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:

(10-05-2020, 05:54 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: I think you are failing to realize Minshew came in older and more polished than most of the QBs you're mentioning here.  Allen was much more raw than Minshew as a rookie, but way more athletic.  He appears to be turning the corner this season.  Its about what do you project a young QB to be down the road, rather than what they do in their first year and a half.  If you did that with Peyton Manning, he'd have been benched after his first 16 games in favor of some guy with less talent who was performing better in the short term.  Minshew might already be closer to his ceiling than most of the guys on this list.  Not saying he is, but it is too early to tell.  That's all.

Minshew came in older?  He was younger than Mayfield, same age as Allen, and just 1 year younger than Darnold and a half year younger than Jackson lol.

I was just going to say it's not like he was Brandon Weeden, lol. The way Minshew is being painted as an "older" QB is funny, lol. Interestingly enough some critics said the same thing about Baker Mayfield who also came in at 23.  I think that some people like to poke at him and Baker, (especially Baker) to make themselves feel better about why some of the younger QB's like Sam Darnold haven't been performing that well. Colin Cowherd comes to mind, he's one that has poked at Baker for being "older" while constantly trying to uplift Sam Darnold, in spite of Sam's struggles.

Could there be advantages to coming in a little order with more college experience? Sure. It didn't hurt and (probably helped to a degree) Gardner and someone like Dak Prescott who also was 23 his rookie year. But is it some massive advantage over younger players. I don't think so. Especially if the younger players have been in the league longer than Gardner has. And were drafted to better organizations given/more support than he has.

Just because someone is older than someone in a situation doesn't mean they are automatically going to be ahead of the other young people. And they are all young and the age gap between them is not big enough IMO, to say his age/college experience gives him a much better advantage over them. It's not like he's 43 year old seasoned veteran Tom Brady going up against the young players. 

Some people are going to perform better out of the gate regardless of what their age is. And Gardner strikes me as the type of person that always been more mature no matter what his age is. This is the same guy that took over as starting QB in his freshman year in college and didn't let that job go. Likewise some people seem "young" and make "young" people mistakes no matter how old they get. Which is why sometimes you will still see an older QB make mistakes that a younger QB might make. (like throwing bad interceptions).

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