(10-07-2020, 06:24 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:

(10-07-2020, 04:36 PM)Upper Wrote: The definition of franchise QB to me is a guy where you don't have to hesitate to give him the big 2nd contract. You know he's going to become so expensive that you're going to have to sacrifice in some other areas to be able to fit him under the salary cap, and you do it anyway because you think he can carry your team if given a solid but not spectacular supporting cast.

I think Minshew is a very solid guy to have while he is among the cheapest QBs in the league, but I'm not giving him that big 2nd contract.

The thing is, a "solid but not spectacular supporting cast" means more than wide receivers or running backs.  It pretty much includes the whole team.  In the case of the Jaguars, if the defense was anywhere close to "solid" we might be looking at a 3-1 first quarter of the season rather than 1-3.  1 player or 1 position should not "carry a team".  Minshew isn't "the problem" and is good enough to be a franchise QB.  The only problem that I have with him thus far is him holding on to the ball too long rather than throw it away (he's improving on this).

Obviously we don't have a solid supporting cast now. I'm saying that once you pay your franchise QB his big 2nd contract you probably aren't going to have the cap space to give him a 00 Ravens, 03 Bucs, or 2014 Seahawks surrounding cast. You're going to have to settle for a hopefully solid supporting cast and then said franchise QB can carry the team over the top.

I don't think Minshew is putting a solid supporting cast over the top. If we had the superlative supporting cast with him on his current rookie deal we might be on to something. But we won't be able to do that in a couple of years when Minshew is going to need his payday (or moving on from).

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(10-07-2020, 06:27 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:

(10-07-2020, 05:07 PM)Rockman1966 Wrote: Trey Lance is absolutely a top 10 pick, maybe top 5.  Trask may creep into top 10.

Trey Lance is a one year starter at a tiny school. That is a recipe for disaster.

It sucks that Lance didn't get a chance to prove it again...but his one year was insanely good, he has all of the tools you want a QB to have in spades, and there have been a plethora of successful tiny school QBs. If we can't get Lawrence or Fields I am probably rolling the dice assuming his predraft process goes well.

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