(10-26-2020, 11:24 AM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:

(10-26-2020, 11:19 AM)mal234 Wrote: Kyler is in a much better situation than Gardner is. And always has been since they both entered the NFL. What type of record would Gardner have, if he had the coaching/situation that Kyler has had.

Kyler is projected to throw 30Tds and 16 interceptions. Gardner is projected to throw the same amount of TD's (30) and less interceptions. (11). And mind you this on a team that has been playing pretty badly overall and Gardner having some struggles, and people feeling that he may have lost confidence. How well could he do if the team were better and he had better coaching/support. Because he's right there with Kyler in terms of stats/individual performance with a worse situation.

Yet you got a lot of Jags fan calling for Gardner to be benched, saying he's terrible and actually calling him garbage. Which IMO is ridiculous. Stuff like this is why a lot of the non Jags fans are looking at Jags fans like a lot of them are crazy when they make these types of comments about Gardner, lol.

Do you understand what "reductionist" thinking is?  Because you are giving a clinic on it right now. Kyler is in a better situation because he is making it better and Minshew is not capable of doing that here.  Joe Burrow is still showing his talents in Cincy in a bad situation, but Minshew is not showing that here.  Minshew is ranked #25 in QBR.  That is BAD,  That's on HIM.

Again, anyone outside of Duval County (and most people in Duval County) would be laughing hysterically at the argument you are attempting to make.

Kyler has always had a coach that has tailored an offense to his strengths. Gardner has not had that. 

Joe Burrow is showing his talents and is mostly losing. And for as talented as Justin Herbert is, he just got his first win yesterday. Because no matter how well a QB plays he can only do so much if the team/situation around him isn't good. And/or in the case of the Chargers, poor coaching decisions is costing the team wins.

And I think it's funny you how keep going at Gardner's QBR and not really acknowledging that his stats is equal or better than Kyler in other areas. Yes he can better in that area. But that's really only one of the few things you can get on him regarding individual stats compared to Kyler. And team wins. Everything else he is either identical or better at. TD's (same) passer rating, interceptions (better). And this in on a much worse team, with him having some struggles. This is the production that Gardner has on a bad team and bad coaching. Imagine if the team was better and the coaching better.

The facts are the facts. Yes Kyler has a better QBR and more wins. The wins are definitely the most important stat. No doubt about that. But the facts are also that Gardner has better/equal stats to him in various areas. They literally are projected to throw the same amount of TD"s, with Gardner projected to throw less interceptions. 

It's ridiculous that a lot of Jags fans are acting like Gardner is a bum. And people of other fanbases realize this and have called Jags fans out on this. Some/a lot of them may think that Kyler is more talented than Gardner. But they also know that Gardner is getting too much blame by Jags fans and that's he not's a bum. And that his production is enough to win in better situations. And some of them are laughing at Jags fan for their treatment of Gardner. Because it's ridiculous.

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