(10-26-2020, 11:52 AM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:

(10-26-2020, 11:41 AM)mal234 Wrote: Kyler has always had a coach that has tailored an offense to his strengths. Gardner has not had that. 

Joe Burrow is showing his talents and is mostly losing. And for as talented as Justin Herbert is, he just got his first win yesterday. Because no matter how well a QB plays he can only do so much if the team around him isn't good. 

And I think it's funny you how keep going at Gardner's QBR and not really acknowledging that his stats is equal or better than Kyler in other areas. Yes he can better in that area. But that's really only one of the few things you can get on him regarding individual stats compared to Kyler. And team wins. Everything else he is either identical or better at. TD's (same) passer rating, interceptions (better). And this in on a much worse team, with him having some struggles. This is the production that Gardner has on a bad team and bad coaching. Imagine if the team was better and the coaching better.

The facts are the facts. Yes Kyler has a better QBR and more wins. The wins are definitely the most important stat. No doubt about that. But the facts are also that Gardner has better/equal stats to him in various areas. They literally are projected to throw the same amount of TD"s. 

It's ridiculous that a lot of fans are acting like Gardner is a bum. And people of other fanbases realize this and have called Jags fans out on this. Some/a lot of them may think that Kyler is more talented than Gardner. But they also know that Gardner is getting too much blame by Jags fans and that's he not's a bum. And that his production is enough to win in better situations. And some of them are laughing at Jags fan for their treatment of Gardner. Because it's ridiculous.

Wrong.  Wrong on just about every point you made here.  We couldn't get a 5th rounder for him right now if we tried to trade him.  No one wants this guy as their starting QB.  Decent backup at best.  You are caught up in stats that don't matter and taken in poor context.  He threw one nice TD pass yesterday, but the other one was a one yard pass with a ridiculous run by Robinson that gave him a credited TD pass.  Most of his "production" has been in garbage time, on check down passes with runs after catch.  You act like the players around him are hurting his production, when they are actually helping him out.  Minshew is a problem.  He holds the ball too long and makes his O-line look worse than they are.  He doesn't have a great arm.  He is inconsistent.  And he is in the last season he will be a starter in the NFL.  Enjoy the last 9 starts he gets (if he doesn't get benched before the season ends).

I think you are underestimating his production and value as a QB. I do believe you could get at least a fifth round pick for him, if not higher. We won't know for sure unless the team tries to trade him.

At this point, he's probably better off with another team. The Jags can trade him to the Patriots or a team that could use him and his production. I really like Cam, and thought that he looked like he had taken well to Bill Belichick's coaching. But he's been struggling the last couple of games. I wonder if maybe he won't end up fitting in as well with the Patriots as I thought he might, after watching a couple of their games this season. Bill Belichick is very smart, Gardner has a high football IQ, I think they could work well together and Bill could get the best out of him. I also think he could work well with Josh Mcdaniels, who was doing a nice job of tailoring the Patriots offense to the Cam's strengths. They could do the same with Gardner. I'm not saying he would start right away. I think they would still go with Cam for a bit. Though, he is actually saying he thinks his job is in jeopardy. And Jarret Stidham is still on the team too. But maybe later on in the season if they lose some games, not in contention, they might would play Gardner to see what he looks like in their offense. 

In the past I had said they could trade him to the Cowboys. But the more I think about it, I  don't think he can really do much to help them right now. Believe it or not, they are currently almost as bad off as the Jags are right now. Dak was throwing for almost 500 yards and multiple TD's and they were still losing. Andy got roughed up in yesterday's game, but he's been mostly durable, and I think they will stick with him as long as he's able to play. (though he might miss like a week due to concussion protocol).

I could see other teams being interested in him as well. I saw some Falcons fans are saying they want to trade for him. One of them suggested trading him for Matt Ryan and a 2nd round pick, lol. I don't see that happening, but I thought that was kind of funny. The Jags can reach out and see who's interested in him. It's going to be more than one team. 

If he's traded that could work out for a lot of people. Jags fans that don't like him and think he's "garbage" can see if this will help the team go all in on getting some one they want like Trevor. And some of us that like him can see him possibly succeed in a better situation. And don't have to hear a lot of Jags fans constantly whine about someone who is projected to throw 30TD's and is currently still top 10 in passer rating.

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