(10-26-2020, 01:16 PM)mal234 Wrote:

(10-26-2020, 07:31 AM)PS9 Wrote: That’s what the west coast offense is: timing passes. I think a lot of people here don’t understand what a west coast offense is.

Minshew is supposed to make reads. The Conley throw was a timing route with favorable coverage(cover 0) pre snap.

We have no idea what his reads are. Head coaches have even said in the past that there is no way to know what reads an opposing offense is making. It’s a guess on our part. He makes his reads and then dumps off if nothing is open. That’s the play. So these downfield open receivers people are talking about are either not in his progressions or were not open at the time he looked for them.



From Wikipedia about a west coast offense:
[font=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont,]“WCO" plays unfold quicker than in traditional offenses and are usually based on timing routes by the receivers. In this offense the receivers also have reads and change their routes based on the coverages presented to them. The quarterback makes three reads and if no opportunity is available after three reads, the QB will then check off to a back or tight end.“[/font]

Also when there is immediate pressure allowed, timing goes out the window so the QB is forced to hold the ball because the play is now destroyed.  
He also holds the ball in these situations because he has the ability to create. Each week, that ability to create has popped up more and more as he has learned the offense and where guys will be.

This comment kind of got lost in some of the recent talk about Gardner, Kyler and other QB's. But I did have some questions for you PS9, about Gardner and his play in the West Coast offense

Do you see him and the team actually getting better in this offense as the season goes on. I know the Jags have been struggling this year, including the offense as of late. But yesterday's game, they actually looked better than they have in a while. I noticed they started to look better when they sped things up. And definitely better when Gruden actually made good on his promise to utilize James Robinson. Gruden has promised for weeks to not abandon the run, and each week he kept doing it. This week he actually doesn't do it and the offense looks much better. And the Jags end up being competitive. Who knows maybe if that fourth down play is converted, we don't have that fumble, etc... the Jags might have won.

That loss really did remind me more of the Titans loss. And the first time we've seen in a bit the Jags actually put up close to 30 points. Which was around their average after the first two games this season. If the Jags have any sense they will really do their best to keep James going, because he played a big role in the team actually being competitive, not getting blown out badly yesterday. I'm curious to see how the offense performs against the Texans coming out of the bye week.

The only reason this wasn't a 3 score loss was special teams scored on a blocked punt.  Our offense was average yesterday... not good.

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(10-26-2020, 02:05 PM)JaguarWC Wrote:

(10-26-2020, 11:10 AM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: Nowhere outside Duval County could you find anybody trying to argue that Gardner Minshew and Kyler Murray are approximately the same level of quarterback.  Murray is 5-2 with a QBR of 73.5; Minshew is 1-6 with a QBR of 53.8.  And Murray is twice the athlete with the ball in his hands that Minshew is.  Stop the madness.

Once again with the QBR B.S.  Terry Wilson for the Kentucky Wildcats has a good QBR and he flat stinks.

Another clueless comment referring to college football.  Go look at the current NFL QBR rankings and tell me who is out of place.  The only ones you can make arguments for are QB's that can also make plays with their feet, like Kyler Murray and Lamar Jackson.  The rest of them look spot on for their play this season. QBR is not perfect, but it would be one of the better statistics that combines several important metrics into one number.

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