(10-26-2020, 01:16 PM)mal234 Wrote:

(10-26-2020, 07:31 AM)PS9 Wrote: That’s what the west coast offense is: timing passes. I think a lot of people here don’t understand what a west coast offense is.

Minshew is supposed to make reads. The Conley throw was a timing route with favorable coverage(cover 0) pre snap.

We have no idea what his reads are. Head coaches have even said in the past that there is no way to know what reads an opposing offense is making. It’s a guess on our part. He makes his reads and then dumps off if nothing is open. That’s the play. So these downfield open receivers people are talking about are either not in his progressions or were not open at the time he looked for them.



From Wikipedia about a west coast offense:
[font=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont,]“WCO" plays unfold quicker than in traditional offenses and are usually based on timing routes by the receivers. In this offense the receivers also have reads and change their routes based on the coverages presented to them. The quarterback makes three reads and if no opportunity is available after three reads, the QB will then check off to a back or tight end.“[/font]

Also when there is immediate pressure allowed, timing goes out the window so the QB is forced to hold the ball because the play is now destroyed.  
He also holds the ball in these situations because he has the ability to create. Each week, that ability to create has popped up more and more as he has learned the offense and where guys will be.

This comment kind of got lost in some of the recent talk about Gardner, Kyler and other QB's. But I did have some questions for you PS9, about Gardner and his play in the West Coast offense

Do you see him and the team actually getting better in this offense as the season goes on. I know the Jags have been struggling this year, including the offense as of late. But yesterday's game, they actually looked better than they have in a while. I noticed they started to look better when they sped things up. And definitely better when Gruden actually made good on his promise to utilize James Robinson. Gruden has promised for weeks to not abandon the run, and each week he kept doing it. This week he actually doesn't do it and the offense looks much better. And the Jags end up being competitive. Who knows maybe if that fourth down play is converted, we don't have that fumble, etc... the Jags might have won.

That loss really did remind me more of the Titans loss. And the first time we've seen in a bit the Jags actually put up close to 30 points. Which was around their average after the first two games this season. If the Jags have any sense they will really do their best to keep James going, because he played a big role in the team actually being competitive, not getting blown out badly yesterday. I'm curious to see how the offense performs against the Texans coming out of the bye week.

Yesterday, the run game was finally utilized to open up the passing game somewhat. They were grinding it away, to the point a few of the runs even got stuffed a little but Gruden stuck with it and got the tough yards. It helped a lot that Robinson made some fantastic runs.
Minshew’s TD to Conley was set up by the heavy run game. It was a Cover 0 look, as I mentioned earlier. 

I feel that I’ve seen Minshew grow in the offense. When the play breaks down he has a better idea of where his guys are when he is running for his life in the backfield. He has become more comfortable creating lately for sure. Starting around the Texans game.

 I also think Cole has really taken a step forward in the offense as well. Sharp route running and knowing where he is supposed to be.

A lot of people will not like to read this but Chark has run lazy routes lately at times. The last Jags throw of the day yesterday was absolutely a catch that a pro bowl level receiver needs to make or attempt. He ran a very lazy route and slowed up. I’m not saying this is an every down occurrence and I’m not saying it wasn’t a bit off target on the throw, but I am saying Chark is not playing hard every down.

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