(11-02-2020, 04:10 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:

(11-02-2020, 03:01 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: I have no delusions about this offense.  It's bad.   Gruden is too pass happy while the team has very little receiving threats.  Chark is a our real receiver and we do not even have a #2.  There is no threat at tight end while Robinson is are only solid tailback.  The line is mediocre on top of it all.  People love to put all the blame on Minshew but the truth is he is working with peanuts here.   Lets for the sake of argument swap these QB's and see how they turn out.

Minshew:  I could easily see him go on to win Super Bowls with this Chiefs team.  Andy Reid would play through Minshew's strengths while he has weapons all over the field.  Minshew has Accuracy and he has Moxy.  This would also be the first time he would play under a good offensive line where he does not have to constantly run for his life.  

Mahomes:  He would be good but not great.  Teams would double team Chark and Mahomes would look a lot like Minshew.  Receivers not getting open while forcing the QB to run for his life to buy time.  The Team would be better but with this current Coaching staff and talent it's probably a .500 team at best.

I think what your perspective is failing to realize here is the quarterback is the straw the stirs the drink.  In other words, an elite QB makes everyone around them better.  I have no doubt Mahomes would do that with this group, although definitely not to the extent that he has with the talent in KC.  Mahomes' ability to either release the ball on time, or scramble to avoid sacks, makes his O-Line look statistically better than they are.  That same ability to buy time with his feet gives his receivers more of an opportunity to get open and look better.  The threat of the passing game in general forces defenses to call plays that can make them more vulnerable to the running attack, and make KC look better in their ground game.  Minshew is not elite and and does not have those abilities to make those around him look better; NO CHANCE the Chiefs win the Super Bowl with him at QB.  Chark has regressed and is openly frustrated when Minshew misses him on routine plays when he's open; same with our other receivers.  Eifert was a real threat in Cincy (when he was healthy) and had 13 TD's in one season there, but has done little here.  Our O-line was looking very good early with the running game, but looks worse now because teams are loading up against the run and daring us to throw it.  Our  O-Line also looks worse against the pass because Minshew holds the ball too long.

Peyton Manning was another guy that made people around him better.  Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker were All Pros / Pro Bowlers with Peyton but could not replicate any success they had without him.  We know all too well that Julius Thomas (a multi-year Pro Bowl TE in Denver) was not the same player with us as he was with Peyton.  The O-Line rankings in Denver deteriorated rapidly after Peyton left because he always made quick decisions where the football would go and rarely took a sack, but the same guys were "Pro Bowlers" when Peyton was there.  My point is, Minshew is not a franchise guy because he is not capable of making the guys around him better.  We need to stop making excuses for him... he's not getting it done.  Now the kid in Cincinnati... that kid is going to be good, and has that ability; and you can see it getting better every week.   We need to find someone like that in the next draft.