(12-03-2020, 12:10 PM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(12-03-2020, 11:48 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: I knew that lady was  going to take center stage in the media. She was the only witness that looked like a crazy, conspiracy theorist. Her story (not her claims at the end) was corroborated by two witnesses that saw the same thing. That lady was there working on behalf of dominion. I'm sure no one hear watched the actual hearings. There is legit disenfranchisement taking place in this democrat districts.

Come on, man.  Every time one of these crazy election fraud theories gets completely refuted, another one pops up.  How long is this going to go on?

I think the problem is, Trump supporters started with a default position that election fraud happened.  Then they went searching for evidence.  Isn't that backwards?  Aren't you supposed to have some evidence and then make the claim?  

The reason they started with that default position "election fraud happened" was because Trump told them so.  He's the first one to make the claim, and he made the claim without any evidence, because he was making the claim before people even started to vote!  

My default position is "prove it," because the person initiating these claims is the biggest liar in the history of politics.

Have you watched any of these hearings? I've watched over 20 hours of this. There are hundreds of witnesses across multiple states sharing almost the exact same story. There are multiple witnesses that testify that in the democratic districts, republican observers are harassed, intimidated, and thrown out, so that democrats can run the election with no challenging observers. There's multiple instances of people observing ballots being rescanned. Most of these witnesses are credible. Obviously there are some unsubstantiated claims and speculation, which are the only thing that make it in to your neck of the news woods, but there's a lot more going on. You get shown the crazies and accept that narrative without question. That's on you. 

The thing that really pisses me off with political debates is people failing to recognize cause and effect. Sure, Trump lies. He's clearly the most divisive President in our lifetime. Hate is a powerful motivator. I can see how that hate could cause many more people to turn up to vote him out, but you don't think that same hate could cause people to fudge the results to beat him? This election, mainstream democrats have advocated for ballot curing, ballot harvesting, universal mail in voting, not checking signatures, not checking ID, and not throwing out any ballots. In what world is that an acceptable system? And, before you mention it, sure... every state didn't institute all of those things, but you can easily see who is destroying the trust in our system. 

Every time I see "baseless" evidence of voter fraud, I want to punch my monitor. We had a whole hearing on Kavanaugh based off one allegation that was "credible." There are hundreds of people, credible people, who are sharing the same story across multiple states, and it doesn't even make the news. This is a non-partisan issue and you're not even aware of it. I am not saying any of this is enough to overturn the election, but these hearings show that there is a systematic attempt to employ all of the methods listed above in certain democratically controlled districts. 

I can make a list a mile long of anomalies with this election. I really want to, I just haven't found the energy to invest my time in something that is probably going to go nowhere. It's made worse when people like you and NBB want to categorically dismiss the whole thing because it's tied to Trump. Don't look at me like I'm the weird one because I think something fraudulent went down. Trump didn't cause that mistrust. Democrats did.

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