(12-07-2020, 08:31 PM)enigma Wrote: (12-07-2020, 08:14 PM)mal234 Wrote: If people don't want Gardner to be the starter regardless of how he plays just say that. And stop with the disingenuous and often untrue comments about how he's played/looked in comparison to other QB's. This is sports, people can't get away with that type of stuff without being called on it.
Going back to Doug, I don't buy that he thinks that Mike really gives them the best chance to win. Especially since the team hasn't won with Mike. (And I'm not trying to dump on Mike, he has looked better than I thought he would. And you can see that he's a veteran QB.) Now, granted the team hasn't really won with much any of the QB's, but still. If you want to win you go with the best option. If you don't want to win, then go with Jake and say you're playing him to get a closer look and evaluate what you want to do with the QB position next season. Heck, they could have even given that excuse as a reason to play Mike. (If they were trying to decide on whether to keep him as a backup next year.)
Your first sentence is the very reason why I brought up why your posts come off as feeling personally insulted. We all wanted Minshew to succeed from the get-go but the issue is that he was a major source of the offensive woes our team faced - even far before his injury timeline. If he played good, then who the heck would not want him at the helm as JAGUARS fan? He just regressed to the point where he had to be benched because his performance on the field was unacceptable (even when we take out plays where the source contributing to an error on the play did not originate from Minshew).
So with that, what comments are untrue about Minshew? Nobody is on here with a character assassination on the guy's personality, motivation, or dedication. The aura around the whole "Minshew Magic" was great - the problem was that his play on the field - i.e. what he gets paid to do, led to the major issues on offense early on.
Love the guy and wish him well, but it's not farfetched to say that he's performed to what we expect a 6th round draftee as.
Again I don't feel personally insulted. I'm just saying that people are not being genuine in some of their criticisms of Gardner. That's it. There was people that wanted him gone after the Miami game, which was his first rough game of the season. That was the third game of the season and people were ready to jump ship on him then. Even though that was his first rougher game of the season.
As far as people saying untrue stuff, I seem to recall you and other people calling Gardner garbage. Is that a true comment? And there was one person up here who said his arm was worse than Brian Hoyer's lol. Say what you want about Gardner his arm is not worse than Brian Hoyer's who truly has one of the weakest arms I've ever seen on a QB. I called that person out and told them to just to admit they wanted Gardner gone regardless. And they did, which is fine. And that person has actually "insulted" me, but I don't care because their comments are really silly and actually make me laugh at times.
I think that some people largely wanted to bail on Gardner because they wanted the Jags to draft Trevor, Justin or another higher draft QB. That's not to say he hasn't had downs or faults because he has. But I think it doesn't matter what Gardner does or doesn't do because there are, people that don't want him to remain the starter regardless of what he does. Because people want Trevor or Justin (or maybe someone else) at just about any cost. And that's fine, if they will just admit that. And just don't try and make him out to be worse than what he is.
And that type of thing isn't unique to Jags fans. Other fans do it too. Heck, some Browns fans do that to Baker, and he's played the best he's ever played and has their team at 9-3. Yet you still have fans not satisfied with him because they think that the grass is always going to be greener with another QB. He's not enough for them, even though IMO, he's good enough to contend with that team which has a lot of good players. And seem to have found a pretty good HC in Kevin Stefanski. That team is good enough and won't be able to draft a high round QB anytime soon. And should stick with Baker for the time being and develop him since that's working. And should really take into consideration all the instability he's had with the Browns regarding coaching. He's had four HC's in three years. I think he'll be fine with stability in Kevin Stefanski. And that team has some good young players and I think will only get better.
But there are fans that want him gone and were even criticizing his performance yesterday which was his best performance as a pro. One of them said he was "terrible" in the second half of that game. (Which was not true, he had a fumble, towards the end, but other than that he did a nice job of managing the game and going along with the more conservative playing calling that Kevin did, once the Browns went up really big. And they were called out for that by other fans, because people saw that game and they don't like people lying about people's play.
