(12-10-2020, 12:10 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: The Jags aren't leaving Jacksonville. Too many people remember how difficult it was to bring an NFL team to this city - it was a miracle, really.  Lot J would be good for downtown's development, and the city should partner in it, but at reasonable terms. I believe those terms will be worked out. I can't fault the city council for asking for more time to read over the agreement.  They'll ask for changes and there will be back and forth negotiations.  It will get done.

Nobody in the ownership group or management remains that was there for the inception of the franchise.  Khan was trying to buy the Rams when they were in St Louis.  The Jags were option B when Weaver put the team up for sale.  At that point, Khan was more interested in joining the fraternity of owners, and not so much concerned about where the team was located.

Lot J would be an interesting upgrade for the downtown area, and I don't have a problem with the city having a reasonable investment in the project to assure that it gets done, and that it's done right.  They may very well get it done, but when the negotiations are in the early stages and they're already playing the relocation card, the team isn't laying the groundwork for a satisfactory outcome.

(12-10-2020, 12:30 PM)jaglyn Wrote: I personally would like a project like the Lot J development, or anything that improves downtown.

But don’t hold the people of Jax hostage and make subtle threats about the Jags moving, for just wanting another month to review the details lol. Jags fans in Jax have done nothing but support this 2-win team for the last decade of its mediocrity.

Exactly.  

If you want the city to invest in the long-term around the stadium, negotiate in good faith and don't threaten to pull the team out of the city that has supported the steaming pile of garbage we've been subjected to under Khan's ownership.

(12-10-2020, 01:48 PM)mikesez Wrote:

(12-10-2020, 12:27 PM)dennisp3 Wrote: This is the first time the Jaguars have ever raised the possibility of moving the team. Wayne Weaver made it clear he would not sell the team unless the new owner agreed to keep the Jaguars in Jacksonville. That commitment by Khan has now been voided. I don't think lot J will result in the team moving, but when it comes time to replace the stadium that my be the straw that brakes the camels back. I just don't see how you can be so sure the Jaguars are not leaving Jacksonville sometime in the future after the threat of moving the team.

Weaver told the press that keeping the Jaguars in Jacksonville was part of the deal he made with Khan.

I'm sure it was, but there were never details.

We can assume that there was a clause where Khan would have to refund Weaver or the league something if he moved the team, but that clause probably had an expiration date.  And the penalty amount probably tapers down over time.

That clause was pocket change for Khan, and it's long since expired.  Khan agreed not to relocate the team for the first 5 years he owned it.  Now he's trying to extort the taxpayers of Jax into committing more than a quarter of a billion dollars into a project outside the stadium, knowing full well he'll be coming back to the well in a few years demanding the city pony up for a new stadium or at a minimum, a half billion dollar renovation.

(12-10-2020, 03:34 PM)D6 Wrote:

(12-10-2020, 12:40 PM)IndyJagsFan Wrote: I'm still convinced that Khan sees a split between London and Jax on a 4/4 basis as his long-term goal. Builds the prestige of the franchise, makes more cash, raises his own cache with the league and he will argue that this will raise Jacksonville's status globally because of the bridge to London.

I think this is a more likely outcome than the Jaguars moving to another market in the United States. 

Shad Khan has a international business mindset.  Even with Khan' s connection to St. Louis, including attempting to purchase the then St. Louis Rams around a decade ago,  the success of the London games for Khan as Jags owner is something he probably views as a priority to him to build on. 

Remember that not only does Khan have  connection to St. Louis, but Lamping does as well.  The roots connecting the franchise to St. Louis are pretty significant.  Not saying the team would relocate there, but that seems like the most logical option for them to get a stadium deal they could live with, especially knowing that Lamping has been involved in a project similar to Lot J around the baseball park in St. Louis.  I've been there.  It's a beautiful venue.  

I think Covid has pretty much put the final nails in the coffin for moving a franchise to London, at least for the next decade or so.  By then, Goodell should be gone, and this fantasy of putting a team there will evaporate.  I think the bigger threat of losing this team is St. Louis.  You won't get any resistance from the league to move a franchise there.

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