(12-19-2020, 09:53 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(12-19-2020, 09:33 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: No.  It's racism. Many of the college educated whites in the democratic party believe it is their duty to solve the disparity between blacks and whites. Why? Because they think blacks can't do it on their own. That's racism. 

No, it's not.  It would be racism if it came from a belief that blacks are inferior to whites.  But that's not the reason for those programs.  The stated reason for those programs is that blacks are disadvantaged by poverty and racism.  You can argue with their reasons all you want, but those are their stated reasons.

(12-19-2020, 11:50 AM)The Real Marty Wrote:

(12-19-2020, 11:07 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: If you have any integrity, you're googling confirmation of your opinion (that's wrong). 

Take some time. Settle down in it for a while, and tread off the beaten path. Read what these guys said. Look into their motivations and aspirations. Find what their writers said about them. Try to learn what isn't reported. While you're at it, read about the Cold War, and the games that were being played between the Soviets and the US. Read about the goals of each nation. Read something like Color, Communism, and Common Sense. It's free. It's on the internet. Learn about the push for communism and the fight against it. I mean, you could even read about McCarthyism, and look at who was being accused of communism. You could maybe wander down the road and spend some time looking at declassified KGB files (after the Soviet Union fell), and see if the people who were attacking McCarthy were connected to the Soviets at all. Look how the dominoes fell as McCarthyism came to a close. When you start to unpack it all, you see that there is this whirlpool of ambitions that pushed and pulled powerful people in all manner of directions.  

I know SO much more about you on this subject. Don't take that as a brag. Truth be told, I am barely scratching the surface. I'd love to learn more and have my positions challenged, because there is a TON I don't know. However, I know this: I don't give two [BLEEP] about a politicians stated goal or the way it is characterized by leftist institutions. Subterfuge was the rule in the 60's and 70's, not the exception. So, when you reference stated goal as proof of your "knowledge," it's just confirmation that you lack context and probably don't know what you're talking about.

I am aware that some politicians who supported social programs in the 60s (and later) did make racist statements.  Some people who were opposed to those social programs also made racist statements.  You don't seem to think I am aware of these things.  I have a degree in History from Indiana University.  I've studied history for the last 40 years.  I am aware of these things.  In your case, I think you have gone down some internet rabbit hole and become thoroughly indoctrinated in a particular political belief and backed it up by cherry picking some historical facts.  Your beliefs have been spoon fed to you.  Not by anyone else.  You've done it to yourself. 

I'm not even sure what we're talking about any more.  If I have time in the next day or two, I'll go back and try to figure out what we were discussing in the first place.  But this is getting way off track.