(01-07-2021, 10:10 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(01-07-2021, 06:16 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: For everyone saying the election was stolen and Trump was cheated, look no further than Georgia. They had a runoff vote where everything was examined and re-examined and in the end, the Republicans lost votes from the November election. I saw a bit of news yesterday and they had someone I consider a hardcore Republican, Rick Santorum. He said he felt there were irregularities during the presidential election. He then went on to say he knows for a fact the Georgia runoff was watched like a hawk and the results were accurate. He said he was baffled by the results though and it left him re-evaluating his entire assumption of how the presidential election ended up.

Trump has so many people indoctrinated into his way of thinking by telling them lie after lie, that they have lost all reason. The majority of people have had it with his lack of professionalism, decorum and human decency and that's why he lost. Period. He reminds me of my nephew with autism. If we play a game with him, he has to win or he throws a temper tantrum where he accuses everyone of cheating, lying and scheming against him and refuses to acknowledge he lost. It leaves me wondering if Trump has ever been checked to see if he is on the spectrum.

The violence today was no surprise to me. When you rile up the angriest and most gullible portion of society, this is what happens. What happened today was no different than the rioters in Minnesota and Atlanta. They are all one in the same. They may be on opposite ends of the belief systems, but they are all gullible and angry and selfish and they don't care what they have to do, in order to get their way. I'm afraid that it's only gonna get worse too. Now that Trump has given these people a voice and they're not getting what they want, they're only gonna get angrier and more irrational.

I'm gonna say something I never thought I'd say. As much as I despise Hillary Clinton, she felt she was robbed of the election, but she stepped aside and did what she thought was best for America. The only time I ever heard from her again, was when Trump was invoking her name. All the past presidents who have lost elections have been gracious and followed the will of the majority of the population by stepping aside and keeping democracy going. Not Trump though. Despite losing by millions of votes, he thinks he can spit on democracy and throw a "hissy fit" until he gets his way. It's an embarrassment to America, especially when the rest of the world is watching and laughing at us.

I'm saying all this as a person who doesn't have a dog in this fight. I am a registered Independent who voted Libertarian, because I hated both the Republican and Democratic options. I could've cared less who won, because I've always felt we were screwed either way. I will say this though, It will be nice to see a little civility and decency restored to the office, once Trump is evicted. I know I'm gonna hate a lot of the things the Democrats do, but at least America won't be viewed like a reality show to poke fun at for the rest of the world like it has been for the last 4 years.

The runoff is easily explainable, though. Trump's supporters in rural areas did not turn out. They were giving a middle finger to Republicans. I think that was stupid, personally. I practically had to beg a friend of mine to go vote in GA. Trump is not the cause, he is the symptom, and you guys seem incapable of grasping that reality. Trump supporters gravitate to him BECAUSE he doesn't roll over to the democratic machine. They like that he fights against it. 

How many leftist sites and organizations are being banned on big tech?
How many conservative journalists are on MSM?
How many universities promote any conservative thought or professors?
How many movies embrace conservative values or actors?
How many giant corporations encourage conservative voices?

Everywhere you look, a majority is having their voice and lifestyle suppressed. This would make sense if conservatism was a minority, but it's not. It's mainstream thought. People are literally afraid to speak their minds because they might lose their jobs or be passed over for promotion. Sure, there is a small segment of the Trump base that is loud, but that's a small portion. Most conservatives feel like their ability to speak freely is being denigrated. So, when a person comes along that is willing to say what they think, not only are conservatives drawn to it, but liberals are repulsed by it. Conservatives are supposed to shut the [BLEEP] up. So, sure... Trump riles up his supporters by his very nature, but, equally so, the left is riling up it's base because he has the audacity to stand against them. Which is far, far worse, because the left has the institutional control to condone their bad behavior. The evidence is clear on this message board. 

Not one conservative protest in my lifetime has been violent. Not one. This is the very first... and of hundreds of thousands of people, only a small handful broke into the Capitol building, 4 of which died. Yet, I wake up this morning and have to alternate reading posts by my liberal friends that say, "if this had been brown people, how many would have died," and "this is domestic terrorism." Yeah? Really? I am so tired of these stupid [BLEEP]. I have been watching the exact same [BLEEP] from the left for almost 5 years now. They have harassed university speakers, created cancel culture, assaulted police, intimidated congressmen and their families, ruined small business owners, and bullied voters. They have torn down monuments, burned federal buildings, vandalized public and private spaces, march through suburbs and harass families. I have watched the political left literally manufacture crimes and accusations against Trump, which was propped up and encouraged by the journalistic arm of the left, which their supporters still believe to this day. I have watched leftist politicians embrace and even foster the chaos, all while telling the American people to vote for them so we can return to normal. And I have watched self-proclaimed liberals defend this. 

Then the left gets to act like they are paragons of virtue. They aren't. Everyone here knows that if things happened the exact same way, but in reverse, there would have been rioting like we've never seen, and some of the exact same posters here would be defending it. I was disappointed yesterday when I saw people breaking in to the Capitol building, but the hypocrisy coming from leftists makes my blood boil. There is no standard but a double standard. The only principle is power. Some will read this and consider it rhetoric, even though much of the literature and philosophy undergirding the progressive movement states this concept explicitly.

That is the reality Trump is feeding you and it's all lies. He lost the election, because he is despised. He has lied, he has no manners, he is spoiled, petulant, selfish, greedy and a narcissist. People got tired of him and now, that he has lost, he's willing to take the entire country down with him, but this is what happens when you elect a reality show host who was born with a diamond encrusted, silver spoon in his mouth, to run a country. 

I hear both sides say "we are the majority." You may be the majority where you live, but the U.S.A. is made up of 50 states, not just yours. People are very different in different regions of the country and the only way to find out who the majority is, is via elections. This time, conservatives lost. You can blame that directly on Trump and his lack of professionalism and humanity. Who knows, maybe next election the conservatives will regain control? That's why we have elections. 

Not one conservative protest has been violent? Seriously? How about at the protest in Charlottesville? I'm not laying all the blame on either side in that one. I believe both sides were to blame for that fiasco, but there definitely was violence and all for what? Some stupid statues? 

I am neither a Democrat or a Republican. In fact, I believe all political parties should be abolished and all candidates should run strictly on their own merits without any party representation. As I said before, I have no dog in this fight. I'm simply saying what is so obvious to the rest of the United States. Trumpers are extremists. They've turned that arm of the Republican party into a cult like religion with Trump serving as their messiah. People who don't fall under his spell think his followers are crazy and when they see them attacking the capital, I find this no different than what David Koresh told his followers. It's like some people are willing to die for Trump and yesterday, some actually did! 

I never gave the left a pass on any of the riots they participated in. Those was ridiculous and horrible as well, but right now, there is no difference between these Trump rioters and the BLM rioters we've seen for months. They are all the same and they should all be locked up. Preferably together.

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(01-07-2021, 10:15 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:

(01-07-2021, 10:01 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: She went on her way and didn't try to create a coup, like Trump did yesterday. I hate giving her any credit for anything, but right now, Trump is making even her look like the better person.

She has literally called duly elected Trump an illegitimate president for 4 years. I understand that you think she sucks. We all do. Terrible example.

Did she ask her followers to storm congress and disrupt democracy? No, that was Trump.

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(01-07-2021, 10:48 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:

(01-07-2021, 10:45 AM)TJBender Wrote: She called Trump and conceded that night. A few days after the election, she took a picture with a supporter while she and Bill were walking a trail in New York and enjoying retirement.

You have reached new levels of crybaby in the last 24 hours. It’s adorable.

She delegitimized a sitting president for 4 years inciting 63,000,000 people to believe her. If you are going to step into the "attacking democracy" pool, jump in with both feet brother.

You're comparing that to what Trump did yesterday? You've lost it.

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