(01-08-2021, 04:04 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:

(01-08-2021, 03:32 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: OK. I saw the thread as a discussion about the tragic death of a rioter.  
I didn't see it as a place to honor anyone or to lambaste anyone. 
Just discussing what happened. 

I'm not as in tune with what this poster or that poster has said in the past as I don't frequent the forum consistently and I've been swamped with work from August-December. 

Hurricane's motives have no bearing on my posts. 

You'll not find posts from me justifying criminal behavior of rioters from "leftist" protests etc.  



I'm referring to every protestor who crossed the line from peaceful protester to criminality. There were many. 69 arrests made and counting. 

How does that percentage of violent vs peaceful protestors compare to some other demonstration, at some other time, about some other perceived injustice?  I don't care. Not my point here at all. 

Didn't realize the point here had morphed into quantifying the percentage of bad apples at various protests. 
And I'm certainly not going to take stab in the dark guesses about those numbers based on random video footage.

I think my "argument" with you got mixed in with what I see regarding news coverage and how these events are portrayed.  Information being put out in the media (both traditional and on social) calls this a "violent mob that attacked the Capitol" while those same outlets called the riots last year "mostly peaceful".  They are not even close to being the same and the opposite is true.

Meanwhile you have the association of flight attendants wanting Trump supporters banned on flights leaving the DC area.

The democrat party supposedly wants "unity" and "calm", yet they are pushing for the 25th Amendment to be invoked and are pushing for yet another impeachment against a President who has conceded and has less than two weeks left in his service.  I'm certainly sure that's going to unite the country!

Then you have the President-elect saying that the protesters/law-breakers were treated differently by police because of the color of their skin.  Yup, that will certainly unite rather than divide. /s

Finally, the very premise of this thread is to lay blame for Mrs. Babbitt's death on President Trump.  Your first post in this thread even implies that.

Quote:It’s a miracle that several more of the trespassing rioters were not shot.

Tragic that she needlessly lost her life due to being duped into believing baseless claims of election fraud and “taking action” at the behest of a despicable politician unable to take a loss like a man.

A lot of people don't believe that there was fraud and the election was stolen because President Trump said so.  Many people believe it based on what we saw and how unusual it was.  Many people were angry because it was never really investigated and pretty much appeared to be covered up.  She lost her life because she was angry enough at our federal government that she made the choice to break the law and take a risk.  She suffered the ultimate consequence for her choice.

To the bolded in your first response:

I'm not only implying it. 
The woman who was killed repeatedly expressed outrage at the election being stolen after Trump published and uttered lie after lie, and baseless claim after baseless claim for weeks on end that he was being corruptly removed from power. 

His lies and claims needlessly led her (and millions of others)  to an outrage over something patently false. 

The election result has been bipartisanly certified. 

He is complicit. 

Still - didn't realize that was "the very premise." I thought we were discussing the woman's needless death and the circumstance around it. 

To your second response:

Like so many things surrounding this presidency, the baseless allegations of election fraud and your perceptions of the process based upon whichever media outlets you've chosen to trust are replete with misinformation. It's the unfortunate age we live in. There are "alternate facts" available from a multitude of talking heads and one can simply adopt the one most convenient to one's sensibilities. 

You've read what you've read and adopted a version that supports fraud and corruption affecting the outcome of this election. 

I've read what I've read and adopted a version that says there was no more fraud or corruption in this election than in the others I've participated in every four years since coming of age. 

How are we to reconcile that? 
I wish I knew, brother.  I truly do. There's a version of the truth out there for everyone it seems and the real one is damn elusive.

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