(01-08-2021, 05:50 PM)jagibelieve Wrote:

(01-08-2021, 04:36 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: To the bolded in your first response:

I'm not only implying it. 
The woman who was killed repeatedly expressed outrage at the election being stolen after Trump published and uttered lie after lie, and baseless claim after baseless claim for weeks on end that he was being corruptly removed from power. 

His lies and claims needlessly led her (and millions of others)  to an outrage over something patently false. 

The election result has been bipartisanly certified. 

He is complicit. 

Still - didn't realize that was "the very premise." I thought we were discussing the woman's needless death and the circumstance around it. 

To your second response:

Like so many things surrounding this presidency, the baseless allegations of election fraud and your perceptions of the process based upon whichever media outlets you've chosen to trust are replete with misinformation. It's the unfortunate age we live in. There are "alternate facts" available from a multitude of talking heads and one can simply adopt the one most convenient to one's sensibilities. 

You've read what you've read and adopted a version that supports fraud and corruption affecting the outcome of this election. 

I've read what I've read and adopted a version that says there was no more fraud or corruption in this election than in the others I've participated in every four years since coming of age. 

How are we to reconcile that? 
I wish I knew, brother.  I truly do. There's a version of the truth out there for everyone it seems and the real one is damn elusive.

I think we are finding some common ground here, and we aren't far off from the truth... whatever that is.

To summarize, I think that you believe that this woman was driven to do what she did based on what President Trump said.  My counter to that is that millions of people think that there was corruption and that the election was in fact stolen based on what we saw and read... NOT what President Trump said.

The bottom line is we don't know exactly what motivated her to do what she did that ended up in her death.  It could be your version (what President Trump said) or it could be my version (what she saw on whatever media outlet(s)).  Either way there is a significant portion of our population that is angry at the government... angry enough to do things that they normally wouldn't do.

I don't know the full background of Mrs. Babbitt.  What I do know is that she served her country proudly and was a decorated veteran of the Air Force.  99.9% of the time if someone served our country for 15 years they probably aren't a criminal.

Her death was unfortunate and sad.  What happened at the Capitol was unfortunate and sad.  The state of our country is unfortunate and sad.

How do we fix it?  I don't have the answers either.  I used to be a real "tech geek", but I got out of that circle because I saw what was coming.  To me tech has turned kind of "evil".  Social media, traditional media, etc. has turned into a tool for both sides that can be a very dangerous tool.  The "information" spread by such tools is powerful.

You'd like to think somebody who served 14 years in the Air Force would have a little more common sense than to break the law by storming and rioting the Capitol... 

She's a traitor, a criminal and she died for somebody who doesn't give two [BLEEP] about her. Talk about being brainwashed, but I guess that's usually what happens when you join a cult.

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