(02-02-2021, 03:05 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:

(02-01-2021, 03:34 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: You should probably change the way you approach this issue if you want to be fair about it. Democrats certainly cheated. There is massive amounts of evidence that suggests this happened. There isn't sufficient proof to overturn it in courts. Even Barr acknowledged the was fraud, he just knew that Trump didn't have a way to PROVE it cost him the election. Every single case was thrown out due to standing. It may be splitting hairs, but election integrity is important, and making the claim that there was no fraud is just as false as someone who knows Trump won by a landslide. 

Also, if you guys really want unity, stop referring to anyone with a different opinion as QAnon or NAZI. It lacks integrity.

Stop posting unfounded claims of voter fraud that would have changed the election and I'll stop mentioning QAnon. The only people still bringing up massive voter fraud are people who frequent far right conspiracy sights. No one outside of that group, buys into it. I don't subscribe to either party, so I don't have a dog in this fight. I didn't buy that there was any mass cheating in 2016 when Trump won and I certainly don't buy it now. I live in the real world. More people hated Trump, than they disliked Biden. That's why Trump lost. End of story.

I have never once posted an unfounded claim. The worst thing I have done with regards to election fraud is give Powell and Wood legitimacy based on their position, but I distanced myself from them as it became clear that they had nothing (and Wood was crazy). I have watched exactly one QAnon video out of curiosity, but I quickly concluded that it didn't pass the smell test. I am no conspiracy guy and rely heavily on data to inform my decisions, yet I've had dems here use that lame [BLEEP] deflection instead of addressing my points. The vast majority of what I post here comes from my own research and is easily verifiable. 

What makes something unfounded to you? Does it need to be repeated by the media? There were more unfounded claims during all of the Russian conspiracy nonsense that was given legitimacy by the MSM than anything I have ever posted here. When do they lose their legitimacy? I immediately started checking numbers the day after the election and wrote about it on this board before any conservative or talking head was talking about election fraud. You can explain away any one of the events, but the sum of them together make a strong case for fraud. It's called the preponderance of evidence in the court of law, and it's not PROOF of anything. So it really comes down to the observer whether or not they believe the preponderance of evidence or not. I don't begrudge people who choose not to give it weight, but I also sympathize with people that feel the election was stolen. I personally believe the democrats cheated, but I have been clear that the solution is not to overturn it in courts, but instead to use this as platform to call for election reform. 

This is my post from the other thread. What's unreasonable or unfounded?

Quote:It's so obvious which party is breaking our system. Regardless if it was enough to sway the election, Democrats broke almost every rule in some way or another with regards to this election. If this exact same thing happened in reverse, these concerns would be plastered on every news outlet for months on end and there would be riots in every major city in America that completely dwarfed anything that happened at the Capitol. You know what? I would totally understand, too. I would be arguing the exact same things that you guys are (that it shouldn't be overturned in the courts), but the difference is that I would acknowledge the inconsistences and be sympathetic towards calls for election reform. You don't even have the decency to understand WHY people may be frustrated under these circumstances. Your apathy is inexcusable.    

I have laid out extensive details that suggest there was fraud. There was ballot harvesting, selective ballot curing, failure to purge voter roles, discrimination between registered parties, and drastically reduced rejection of suspect ballots. In those same 4 cities, you see a concerted effort, to limit republican observers during counting, which miraculously concluded with a significantly increased voter turnout compared to other blue counties, highly unlikely batches of votes in favor of Biden, and the some of the lowest rates of rejected ballots in history. The voting rejection rate in those counties should not drop from 3% to .3% between elections. Observers should never be silenced and kicked out for questioning ballots. Observers should be able to accurately see the ballot. There should be no reason for either party to  discriminate based on registered party affiliation. 

The authorities have done a piss poor job of explaining the inconsistencies and the courts refuse to hear the case on standing, which basically means the courts didn't believe Trump could show it cost him the election. That's a virtually impossible standard. I'm cool with that, by the way. Courts should not be easily able to override an the voice of millions of people What I'm not cool with, is the obvious and extensive ways that democrats broke or bent the rules to gain an advantage in 4 democratic strongholds in 4 key swing states. What I said would happen is EXACTLY what's happening: Not only are we going to ignore the instances that seem out of place and downplay their significance, we are going to move forward without a care in the world towards reforming our system. It's a joke that you can even take the democrats voting platform seriously, and speaks volumes to your priorities.

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