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(This post was last modified: 02-13-2021, 03:58 PM by TheO-LineMatters.)

(02-13-2021, 02:11 PM)Iason Wrote:
(02-12-2021, 10:19 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I read everything in this article and I didn't see anything maliciously racist. What I did see was an ignorant, old, white guy who didn't know any better, trying to be "one of the guys" in a humorous way and he didn't realize that such things are no longer acceptable. Most white people of a certain age are guilty of this at least once in their life. They say something that sounds harmless and funny in their head, but when other people hear it, they get offended. There might have been no ill intent behind the words, but with the ever changing social environment, some people can't keep up with what is acceptable and what isn't. I've been guilty of this myself. It's called living and learning. It's why I stay far away from social media. Things that offend people today and are construed as racist, were largely seen as harmless just a few short years ago, but in today's "cancel culture" no one is granted a second chance if people get offended, especially if it has anything to do with race. If the guy had no ill intent by his remarks, as I suspect, he needs to be given the chance to explain himself, apologize and show how he has learned from is mistakes and how he is becoming a better person.

It sounds like you're upset that the people that were the butt of the jokes coming from old white guys started to stand up for themselves.

Not at all. I read the accusations and I saw no malice. I saw an old white guy trying to connect with his players "ripping" on them. What he didn't realize is you can't do that in today's world. The new generation (of all races) has been coddled and taught to be victims. They are thin skinned and super sensitive. Everything is serious and you can't joke with them at all. I'll be 50 in march and that's what me and my buddies do. We're constantly "ragging" on one another and there is absolutely no ill intent behind it. They're a great bunch of guys and we're always laughing and having fun. That's what was acceptable back then. Nowadays, you can't do that type of thing. The atmosphere is constantly changing and if you can't keep up and you make one little mistake, your life is ruined and you're basically canceled. You can beat women and children, torture animals and a plethora of other violent offenses and you'll get second chances, but say something out of turn and everyone wants you wiped off the face of the earth. 

This is partly why there is such a divide between the races and a divide in generations. Everyone is so mindful of everything that comes out of their mouths, that many people choose to distance themselves from people of other races or other generations in fear that they might accidentally say something offensive and be attacked by society. It's sad. People don't look at if there was any intent behind what people say, they only see what they are conditioned to see and right now, they are taught that everything is offensive. 

Should Doyle have been more aware of his actions? Certainly. When you work around college age kids of varying races, you have to watch everything you say, but you also have to realize he comes from a different era. He and I are close to the same age. When we were playing football, you were screamed at, cussed at and insulted. That's the way things were back then and it toughened us up and made us unbothered by little things that don't matter. He was probably trying to pass on how he was coached and that way is no longer accepted. His locker room behavior sounded very similar to how ours was in high school, only no one ever got offended. 

Was it bad optics in today's world to hire Doyle? Absolutely. This is gonna definitely cost us some free agents, because no matter that he resigned, there is still the stigma out there that we are the team with the head coach that hired a "racist". That is a bad look that Meyer now has to try and overcome and quite frankly, I don't know if he can.

(02-13-2021, 03:18 PM)mikesez Wrote: Did Doyle ever attempt to apologize for the things he said? Did he promise to do better going forward?



Yes, he did, but that doesn't matter, because in too many people's eyes, he committed an unforgivable sin.
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