(04-26-2021, 08:10 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Firstly, hardcore Trump supporters are not conservatives, but it doesn't matter, because it doesn't change my point. Both progressives and conservatives require people to think like-mindedly. I'm just saying the framework is different with regards to each one. Conservatives allow for a difference of opinion with regards to the role the federal government plays, but they don't budge with the constitution. Progressives don't care about the constitution, they only care about social justice, which, ultimately wants to completely abolish the American system. Since my post is directed at liberals and moderates, I'm basically asking them which one of those two do they support more?

So you want to ask liberals and moderates to choose between social justice and the constitution? 

I am not a liberal.  I am perhaps a moderate and perhaps a conservative on a lot of things and maybe a liberal on a few things.  I don't know how many times I have to say this, but I am a capitalist.  I believe in capitalism, private property, and free enterprise.  I believe in social justice as long as it can exist within a framework of capitalism, private property, and free enterprise, because, for one reason, I believe capitalism, private property, and free enterprise are the best way to ensure the greatest benefit to the greatest number of people.  I strongly believe that if we make everyone equal, all we will accomplish is that we will make everyone equally poor.  

Choosing between social justice and the constitution is like choosing between broccoli and baseball.  They are not mutually exclusive.  In fact, if you read the preamble to the constitution, it is a call for social justice, and it is also calls for preserving liberty, which I define as including, among other things, the right to private property and the freedom to run a business in a capitalistic way.  

"...in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."

The Constitution calls for social justice AND liberty.  

On the other hand, the US Constitution is one of the big advantages this country has to protect our capitalistic economic system, because without the protections of the Constitution, a lot of our capitalistic system could be endangered by the government.   In addition to that, we cannot have true social justice without a Constitution.  

So if I absolutely had to choose, I guess I would choose the Constitution.  But I don't think that's a choice we have to make.  

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