(06-24-2021, 05:41 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: (06-24-2021, 05:03 PM)Dimson Wrote: I am an alcoholic myself so I do know what I am talking about. I have been through rehab and I had the chance to talk to many addicts, so I do indeed know what I am talking about. If you steal and go to jail, you don't go to jail because you took drugs, you go to jail because you stole. It is no different than if you steal so you can buy you some booze. You don't go to jail because you drink booze, you go to jail because you stole from someone. Stop comparing victimless crimes with committing crimes to support your victimless crime. Two every different things.
So in other words, you are unlike (or rather just like) commie-la Harris. Rather than address the issue at hand just ignore the "root cause" of the issue.
Is it a "victimless" crime when a person chooses to use money to put chemicals in their body rather than provide a healthy meal to their child, or would that be child abuse/endangerment? Is it a "victimless" crime if someone uses what money they have to put chemicals in their body rather than provide shelter for their children?
I have seen it with my own eyes.
I hired a guy to take care of my lawn because I'm lazy sometimes and my mower was broken down. He did a great job at first, but I started noticing that he was losing weight at an alarming rate. He then started asking for "advances" for his work. Pretty soon me mentioned that his family "wasn't going to have much of a Thanksgiving dinner" because they couldn't afford it. My wife and I gave them some groceries to help them out. The last straw was when he called us up one morning asking if he could "borrow" some money. Reluctantly we said "yes" and when he showed up to get it it was pretty clear that he was "in need of a fix". Pretty soon he started to not show up when he was supposed to, we got excuses of "broken equipment" and later found out that he was selling his equipment. We ended up firing him because he wasn't doing what we were paying him to do. He ended up getting evicted from the home that they were renting and last time I saw him he was mowing grass with a cheap push mower (not new).
The guy (to my knowledge) never stole anything from anybody, yet his family had to suffer because of his "victimless" crime. To this day I don't know if the guy is even alive or in jail anymore.
My point is, just because (to my knowledge) he never stole from anybody it doesn't make his crime (buying and using illegal drugs) "victimless".
There is no such thing as a "victimless crime".
Victim as defined by law. A kid that has an absentee or uncaring parent would be conidered a "victim" but the parent would not go to jail for it. You are not a victim if you choose to do it to yourself. If you drink your paycheck away does your family suffer, most likely but are they victims of a crime, absolutely not.
(06-24-2021, 05:08 PM)Ronster Wrote: (06-24-2021, 05:03 PM)Dimson Wrote: I am an alcoholic myself so I do know what I am talking about. I have been through rehab and I had the chance to talk to many addicts, so I do indeed know what I mam talking about. If you steal and go to jail, you don't go to jail because you took drugs, you go to jail because you stole. It is no different than if you steal so you can buy you some booze. You don't go to jail because you drink booze, you go to jail because you stole from someone. Stop comparing victimless crimes with committing crimes to support your victimless crime. Two every different things.
LOL... lets see alcohol vs cocaine. Get addicted to cocaine then tell me is a victimless crime. Its not the same thing, no matter what your sponsor says. That cocaine/heroin/meth will make you do things you WOULD NEVER, EVER do sober. You absolutely lose control. Not many people that were as addicted as I was get out alive or without going to prison. I am not saying I was not responsible for my actions, because I took the drugs, but when you are coming down off of those drugs, the pain is indescribable. You will do just about anything to alleviate it, and that will always, ALWAYS create victims, legal, illegal or whatever.
Alcohol does the same thing. It makes you so [BLEEP] you would never do. There are two drugs you can die from just by detoxing off them and they are benzos and alcohol. Not crack, not meth, but alcohol. What you don't understand is prohibition isn't the answer. It wasn't the answer for alcohol and it isn't the answer for drugs or prostitution. Prohibition is never the answer.
