Quote:I would change the word accolades there to 'on the field achievements'. I am using the Heisman award only as a symbol for highlighting Johnny as the best QB at the collegiate level. Listen, I know CAm wasn't picked #1 because had the heisman. He was picked number 1 because he was the best collegiate QB at the time, which the heisman agreed with and highlighted. Do you see the connection?

 

Perhaps let's change the topic from Manziel, back to Bortles and Bridgewater...

Last year in the minds of the Heisman trust(who know football better than anyone on these boards, including me), neither Bortles nor Bridgewater were even deemed in the top 4 of QBs in their age group/at the collegiate level. Really think about that, let that sink in. They weren't even invited.

So how are so many on these boards so sure then that QBs who weren't even the best against players their own age, will come into the NFL and magically become 'the best' in the NFL and lead us to a SuperBowl?

At least with guys like Newton, and MAnziel, they WERE LITERALLY THE best in college, they absolutely obliterated opponents on the collegiate level, and so that gives us at least some hope that they may do it on the next level. 

Two things, Several things actually

 

If Cam Newton at Auburn was playing on A&M, they would be National Champions and maybe one of the most dominant teams of the decade

 

Manziel has a NFL protecting him, Mike Evans who is a complete monster and solid solid supporting cast

 

Cam had none of that

 

Don't compare the two

 

Second, Winston was the better play last year, much better qb. and I think Hackenberg was arguably better

 

None of this on field accolades matter to begin with

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