(07-10-2021, 02:01 AM)Bullseye Wrote:

(07-09-2021, 03:03 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: They do not share your views on "value." Obviously. And they aren't ignoring value, they just don't agree with your (arbitrary) definition.

Regarding the bolded: You're incorrect with the "he'll have top get his touches" statement and that was the point. 

Etienne could VERY easily come nowhere near the numbers you stated earlier in this thread as what would justify his selection -- but still be very valuable to the team as a big play threat who gets enough touches for defenses to respect his presence allowing other offensive players to thrive.

(Emphasis added)

So numbers akin to say, Reggie Bush his rookie year, could render him "valuable?"

Reggie Bush Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Or perhaps Christian McCaffrey?

Christian McCaffrey Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

I have to think somewhere between Bush and Kamara is what UM and co are thinking with the Etienne pick.

Alvin Kamara Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Note:  I just saw Seldom Rites expectation of 11 YPC for Etienne.  However, I have noticed that none of the above mentioned backs reached that mark, despite two of those backs being drafted in the top ten.

Is there any reason for that 11 ypc standard?

To the bolded, there isn't, I just expect a guy they plan to line up wide a lot to have more yards per catch than a running back who doesn't line up outside often. Not to mention people here are arguing he's going to somehow make defenses pay attention to him, and yet not produce good stats that an undrafted guy got last year.

Either he's going to be a guy that makes explosive plays and is in the game a lot to take advantage of the defense keying on him, or he's going to be a terrible draft pick that doesn't make explosive plays and who gets some not very meaningful stats while not really putting any fear into defensive coordinators.


I actually think it's more likely to be the latter, as I don't see him as a special prospect (though we'll see) but others seem to think he'll somehow cause defensive coordinators headaches while also not producing. Seems like a really ridiculous belief to hold, but it is what it is. I just think if he's actually a good player then he'll produce like one. He's a running back, he should at least get plenty of chances to show what he can do from that position this year, and running backs generally produce far earlier in their careers than guys that play other positions.

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