(08-17-2021, 11:33 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote:

(08-17-2021, 07:07 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: Let's think about this logically for a minute. Do you think the plan was for the Afghanistan regime to immediately fall apart? Why would the USA be pulling all of the non combat people out if the idea was for the regime that we spent trillions of dollars on forming and training to not immediately fall apart?

The advisors had been saying for years what the USA was doing was working and with just a bit more time and money everything would be perfect. Those are the people you think Biden should have listened to?

Trump didn't do much of value while in office, but having Pompeo negotiate the ceasefire with the agreement the USA would get out was one of his better accomplishments. Just a month ago he was seething over how Biden would get credit for it.

So, with all that said, what should have been done differently? Not believing in the Afghanistan state and pulling everyone out and still leaving the Afghani people to live with it? Taking in millions of Afghani refugees? Continuing the war, another year, or two, or five or more years at the cost of more American lives?

The Afghan people were going to have to be on their own eventually. No one should be disputing that. The problem is those who were told they would be taken care of due to the nature of their work with us weren't able to get out before crap hit the fan. You don't tell these people you're going to help them then turn around and [BLEEP] on them. That's only problem # 1. 

You have the regular ANA who are not always known for their desire to actually fight for their country and the top levels of their military are corrupt to the core. Worse than we could ever think. So we leave them to defend their country (something they never had interest in) AND the Taliban are coming. What do you think will happen? They'll either flee out of cowardice or because they genuinely fear for their lives and the lives of their family. 

Anyone who has read about OEF from the many books written by troops and contractors who were deployed there could see this outcome, just no one expected it to happen so quickly. Anyone who had any decision making responsibility in this should have known this and had a plan to protect these folks. The military always has a contingency plan. The plan may not always be 100% effective but there is a plan. This debacle is a cluster [BLEEP] beyond all reason. The Taliban didn't just show up in Afghanistan today and everyone knew they would come. So what was the plan?

I put this ALL on the Biden administration who is more concerned with being socially woke and mandating the lives of American citizens while letting the southern border leak like a sieve and doing nothing while folks in Chicago are being murdered every weekend. They should be ashamed of themselves for hiding and not taking responsibility for ANY DAMN THING but especially for this cluster.

Cognitive dissonance? First it looks like you're agreeing with me, then suddenly you take a hard left to get back to partisan blame. It's your choice what you want to believe, I'll believe that Biden made the right choice not to resume the war. We'll see if a bunch of American war contractors and state department people pay a price for no one foreseeing how little the trillions of dollars and thousands of American military lives lost bought, or if it just turns out to be another case of partisans losing their minds.

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