(08-18-2021, 11:29 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote:

(08-18-2021, 09:11 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: In your case, L2l, I can believe it might be something aside from partisanship. For some people here, that belief is a bridge too far. Like I said, we'll see if it actually means anything. If no Americans lose their lives there and they extract most of the people who need asylum because they helped the USA then it didn't mean much.

Really what it comes down to is the people of Afghanistan either weren't willing to do, or unable to do what they had to do in order to preserve the way of life the USA helped establish there. I don't like it, but I accept it as the reality.

Personally, I would like the US to honor their word. It frustrates me the callousness our government has with other nations and their people. When we do intervene, we need to honor our word. I felt the same way with the Kurds. This is not something that I pin solely on Biden, but on our military industrial complex as a whole and the role they play in creating policy. Every single President in the last 30 years has contributed to this problem, which results in legitimate hatred of the US by those who were spurned. I want to believe we, the government of the US, wants to make the world better, but the reality does not seem to jive with this sentiment. We are manufacturing terror, imo. I don't think it's accidental, and it's enlarging the coffers of a select few. All they need to do is spin it in the name of freedom and most of us never question it.

I agree with you that the animus being kicked up by the MSM does not fit the MO. I don't understand what's going on. I feel like you can usually follow the money to make sense of the barking dogs, but not in this case. I don't believe Biden made this decision unilaterally, so I'm having a hard time speculating the end game, here. We are supposedly looking to send troops to Syria, and we've been bombing Somalia since Biden took office. The MIC is making its money, so why the hate from the media? Anyone have any guesses?

Well the first question is which word did the USA not honor? From what I've seen apparently the current last second evacuation is because the USA kept its word and didn't just leave immediately en masse, we stayed there and tried to show faith in the regime to actually stand up to the Taliban. That was apparently a mistake. Biden probably should have started clearing everyone out of there as soon as he took office.

The military industrial complex seems unlikely to be behind all of this, if they were then we wouldn't be leaving. This appears to just be Biden acting in as much good faith as he can given a turd sandwich that Trump and Obama weren't willing to bite into. Trump was saving this stuff for after the election so he wouldn't have to look bad heading into one.

As for further MIC influence moving forward, maybe Biden, actually is just wanting to move the nation away from endless war. It seems unlikely given where the nation has been for the last 60 years, but I'm willing to wait and see

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