(08-18-2021, 06:00 AM)SeldomRite Wrote:

(08-17-2021, 11:33 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: The Afghan people were going to have to be on their own eventually. No one should be disputing that. The problem is those who were told they would be taken care of due to the nature of their work with us weren't able to get out before crap hit the fan. You don't tell these people you're going to help them then turn around and [BLEEP] on them. That's only problem # 1. 

You have the regular ANA who are not always known for their desire to actually fight for their country and the top levels of their military are corrupt to the core. Worse than we could ever think. So we leave them to defend their country (something they never had interest in) AND the Taliban are coming. What do you think will happen? They'll either flee out of cowardice or because they genuinely fear for their lives and the lives of their family. 

Anyone who has read about OEF from the many books written by troops and contractors who were deployed there could see this outcome, just no one expected it to happen so quickly. Anyone who had any decision making responsibility in this should have known this and had a plan to protect these folks. The military always has a contingency plan. The plan may not always be 100% effective but there is a plan. This debacle is a cluster [BLEEP] beyond all reason. The Taliban didn't just show up in Afghanistan today and everyone knew they would come. So what was the plan?

I put this ALL on the Biden administration who is more concerned with being socially woke and mandating the lives of American citizens while letting the southern border leak like a sieve and doing nothing while folks in Chicago are being murdered every weekend. They should be ashamed of themselves for hiding and not taking responsibility for ANY DAMN THING but especially for this cluster.

Cognitive dissonance? First it looks like you're agreeing with me, then suddenly you take a hard left to get back to partisan blame. It's your choice what you want to believe, I'll believe that Biden made the right choice not to resume the war. We'll see if a bunch of American war contractors and state department people pay a price for no one foreseeing how little the trillions of dollars and thousands of American military lives lost bought, or if it just turns out to be another case of partisans losing their minds.

Where did I say he should resume the war? I said the way in which they 'planned' the withdrawal of civilians (both Afghan and American) and our troops was a cluster [BLEEP]. And it's all on the current administration. Someone else said Trump set it up initially but didn't plan the rest at the time because he thought he'd still be in office when it was time to get people out of there. If that's true he is also a [BLEEP]. Plenty of blame to go around but Biden and his people literally running away from this debacle is disturbing. Yes, he came back to DC to :talk to the American people" but he looked like he didn't want to be there and had trouble reading the teleprompter to the effect that he has no clue what is going on and is completely incompetent.

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