(08-20-2021, 03:25 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: (08-20-2021, 09:43 AM)Dewboy01 Wrote: I don't get the Minshew angst. While I agree Lawrence should be getting all of the 1st team reps, I would still rather have Minshew as the back up over Beathard. And I'm certainly not going to over-react to the 1st pre-season game of the season. I'd rather look at the regular season performance of both Minshew and Beathard since they've been in the league - I think that gives us a better idea of what to expect from both of them:
Completion % TD Int Rating W/L
Minshew 62.9% 37 11 93.1 7-13
Beathard 58.6% 18 13 81.1 2-10
Both played for equally bad teams, other than last year when the Jags were the worst team in the league, and while Minshew was only 1-7 as a starter last year, his rating went up from 91.2 to 95.9 - and his QBR went up from 44.6 to 51.7 - the average QBR for his all of his starts is 47.4 while Beathard's is 40.9. Neither of them is going to lead us to the Super Bowl, but I think Minshew has shown more when it actually counts, in the regular season.
That's crazy! Stats don't tell the entire story here. I've seen a noticeable regression in Minshew, since he was first drafted. That pains me to say. I really like the guy. He's fun to root for. He has a kind of "redneck" quality to him that I really like. He seems like a fun guy to be around. The problem is that despite the endearing personality, he seems less decisive and than he was when he was first drafted, he holds the ball longer than he used to and he hasn't improved the arm strength at all. Say what you like, but the facts are that Beathard is a much better decision maker at this point in both of their careers, he has a stronger arm and the ball gets out of his hands much quicker. There just isn't any argument here. Neither of these guys should be NFL starters, but at this point, I'd trust Beathard to lead this team in an emergency situation, way more than I would trust Minshew. I wish it was the other way around though. Hopefully, neither of these guys ever see the field for us though, in any regular season games. Minshew is the future.
I'm curious exactly what "facts" show that Beathard is a "much better" decision maker than Minshew? Is it the "fact" that he has more INTs in fewer games? Is it the "fact" that he has a lower % of TD passes? Or maybe it's the "fact" that his W/L percentage is literally half of what Minshew's is? Just because you think you see a noticeable regression in Minshew since he was drafted, doesn't make it a "fact" - it's an opinion. It's your opinion. And you may end up being right and I may end up being wrong, but the actual facts support Minshew. If having a stronger arm and getting the ball out quick were the only evaluation points then Jeff George would have been a superstar. I know stats don't always tell the entire story, but in this case that's what we have to go on - stats like wins and losses, completing passes, throwing for TDs without throwing Ints are all kind of important for a QB, in fact I'd go so far as to say wins/losses is kind of why they play the game. There are no style points for having a strong arm or quick release - especially if those things don't help the team win games,....again, just my .02 cents
