(09-01-2021, 10:49 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote:

(08-31-2021, 10:44 PM)Firesky Wrote: So you can't trade a pick next year for a player this year? Lol. So you can't package multiple picks (we have 4 6th's & 2 7th's) to move up to the 5th etc.?  Our 5th round Safety from 2020 (Daniel Thomas) made the team, is a better safety than Wilson and is a ST's ace. That part of your disagreement has 0 logic to it. What does a WR have to do with a Safety? I get that he's a 6th round pick, but that has 0 relevance to the Safety position group, also not every pick hits but as I mentioned with Daniel Thomas, a player of Wilson's caliber or better can be found in the late rounds pretty easily.

Wilson has been in the league since 2016, Wingard has only played 2 seasons; obviously Wilson has more career snaps ... Wingard is a markedly superior ST's player, even on half the total snaps anyone who watches football can see that. Not sure Wingard survives the waiver claims in the next few days I agree with you there, not really all that enamored with Wingard either.

Wilson has 28 career starts at Safety and really hasn't shown much. I liked what I saw out of Daniel Thomas both last year and in preseason, but that's a moot point as Rudy Ford is the 3rd safety/big nickel and likely next man up in case of injury. Cisco can play both FS & SS, if Jenkins goes down I'd kick Cisco to FS and have Ford play SS. 

Wilson isn't better than Cisco or Jenkins. His cap hit is the highest among the rest of the backup safeties, and he's the worst ST's player of that bunch. This really isn't rocket science.

Yes, let's trade away a bunch of future draft picks in order to get an average safety when we could have just NOT CUT an average safety.  I agree, this really isn't rocket science.

Our sixth rounder being cut is relevant because you claimed that you can find an average player with a sixth round pick.  Do you need me to show you a list of our sixth round picks in history?  Obviously there's going to be the occasional exception, but the players who I would consider "average" are clearly in the minority.  Many didn't even make the team and the careers of most of the ones who do were short lived with minimal contributions.

Salaries is a red herring.  While you can argue Wilson is "more", his salary isn't significant and we are well under the cap.

While Cisco maybe "can" play free safety, he's more suited to strong safety.  I don't want one injury to weaken two positions.  Ford is here for special teams and emergency backup.  I would much rather Wilson(FS)/Cisco (SS) than Cisco(FS)/Ford(SS).  You claim Thomas is better at playing safety than Wilson, but Wilson started over him last year.  You are also trying to make a false choice.  I would keep both.  It's not Wilson versus Thomas.  It's Wilson versus Wingard.  The comparison here isn't even close.  Wingard is an absolute disaster at safety.  The couple of yards of average field position he might generate on special teams doesn't outweigh his complete incompetence on defense if injuries occur.

The 4 other safeties on the roster (lets put Wingard aside who made the team for ST's only and is likely to be waived in the coming days) are better than Wilson, Thomas & Ford are both at least average and Thomas has upside. if we need another player of wilson's caliber we can find one with a late round pick, guys like wilson are a dime a dozen. 

Jalen Camp not making the team at a loaded position of strength is not an indictment of every 6th rounder Jacksonville has ever made; especially because he's not a safety he's a WR. the last late round safety we drafted made the team which kinda supports my argument on this.

You can roll over capspace to future years, no reason to burn up space or sacrifice future flexibility for an average player who isn't going to start. It's not a red herring it's a very important part of the big picture and long term health of our cap/team.

Cisco played Free Safety and a ton of single high at Syracuse, he can play that spot at a high level; rather invalid criticism. So Wilson a 6 year vet started over a ROOKIE, that rookie has improved, we have not seen Thomas's celing while we've likely seen Wilson's. 

I don't think Wingard is here much longer, they're going to use the spot on a waiver claim, not worth debating Wilson vs. Wingard bc Wingard will probably also be cut.

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